*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Either Berry is clueless, or that's a big insult to the likes of Florida State, Clemson, etc.

I would agree with the idea that Louisville is the best option, but only based on the assumption that we can't pull someone away from a BCS conference other than the BE. There has been plenty of rumor swirling around the ACC with Clemson and FSU, and Notre Dame is out there too. There have even been some rumblings about prying Arkansas out of the SEC. Those are all clearly better options than Louisville, and to this piont I haven't seen anything to indicate that none of them are possible.
 
I would agree with the idea that Louisville is the best option, but only based on the assumption that we can't pull someone away from a BCS conference other than the BE. There has been plenty of rumor swirling around the ACC with Clemson and FSU, and Notre Dame is out there too. There have even been some rumblings about prying Arkansas out of the SEC. Those are all clearly better options than Louisville, and to this piont I haven't seen anything to indicate that none of them are possible.

Yeah, aside from louisville, i think everything related to any of the other players has been message board rumors. While some things can start leaking out that way, eventually someone in the media will pick up on it, and to date i dont believe anyone has, not even the more rumor-heavy journos.
 
Driving home from work this morning, I drove by the athletic facilities and saw a West Virginia license plate.

You all know what that means....Oliver Luck is out recruiting new schools for the Big12, and Waldorf is on the radar.
 
I would agree with the idea that Louisville is the best option, but only based on the assumption that we can't pull someone away from a BCS conference other than the BE. There has been plenty of rumor swirling around the ACC with Clemson and FSU, and Notre Dame is out there too. There have even been some rumblings about prying Arkansas out of the SEC. Those are all clearly better options than Louisville, and to this piont I haven't seen anything to indicate that none of them are possible.

I posted a while back about the merits of going after Kentucky...but Kentucky and Arkansas would be completely amazing (and a HUGE stick in the eye to Missery and the SEC, which sweetens the pot).
 
I don't see any way Kentucky and Arkansas leave the sec. But, then again, if you asked me three years ago, I would not have guessed a&m and Missouri would leave b12. I guess the lesson is never say never when money and ego are involved.
 
Louisville is the easiest best that creates no ripples and can get done relatively easy after this coming football season.

Just because they're obviously not Florida State doesn't mean they're worthless or have no possibility of being in the Big 12 in the future.
 
Yeah, aside from louisville, i think everything related to any of the other players has been message board rumors. While some things can start leaking out that way, eventually someone in the media will pick up on it, and to date i dont believe anyone has, not even the more rumor-heavy journos.

At some point, ACC teams with football aspirations will realize there's just more money in being 11/12 in the Big 12 as opposed to getting 1/14th or 1/16th of the ACC pie. If any kind of selection committee for at large playoff spots happens it becomes even more obvious with the ACC trending toward permanent fifth billing and Big 12 ranging from 1-3 every year the past decade.

I think it's the reason the ACC paused on Rutgers/UConn because it makes that jump even more likely for two key football teams.

Sure it's all rumors, but the landscape has shifted to the point where it's not crazy rumors anymore.
 
Louisville is the easiest best that creates no ripples and can get done relatively easy after this coming football season.

Just because they're obviously not Florida State doesn't mean they're worthless or have no possibility of being in the Big 12 in the future.

I like Louisville if the Big 12 is going to 14. I don't like them nearly as much if we're just going back to 12 and FSU and Clemson are seriously on the table.
 
I have nothing to add but a post to help to get to 20k. Good work to all of you.

IMO - Louisville - sure, why not. But I'd rather just stay at 10. It was a blast this year playing all teams once in fb and twice in bball.
 
I have nothing to add but a post to help to get to 20k. Good work to all of you.

IMO - Louisville - sure, why not. But I'd rather just stay at 10. It was a blast this year playing all teams once in fb and twice in bball.

Most everyone probably would like to stay at 10 - but in the long run, as other major conferences go to 14 and 16, it's going to kill our ability to negotiate TV contracts because we simply won't have the game inventory the networks are looking for.
 
Perhaps it won't. But the real motivation is he's butt-hurt about nobody wanting to give him an Aggie Network. And why would they - nobody wants to see them Aggie in mason jars 24 hours a day...

A&M and Nebraska were the biggest hypocrites in realignment by a mile. They fought for unequal revenue sharing. They fought for their fantasy land dream of Husker Network or Aggie Network. Then they did a 180 and said these were the reasons they wanted out.

None of their fans, ADs or coaches will ever admit it, but they simply were less successful at being a selfish bloated money making machine than Texas was. That's the cause, they wanted to be what UT is and they couldn't outdo them. I've never seen why Texas is at fault for being better at Neb, OU and A&M's chosen rules than they were.
 
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Most everyone probably would like to stay at 10 - but in the long run, as other major conferences go to 14 and 16, it's going to kill our ability to negotiate TV contracts because we simply won't have the game inventory the networks are looking for.

Not in the case of ESPN/ABC which already has ample inventory with their deals and potential new ones. Which is why they are on the verge of a reported renewal of the B12's Tier 1 deal. At this point, the only schools that have sufficient value to justify B12 expansion down the road are the Florida St/Clemson tandem and Notre Dame (who also could be included in a scheduling alliance).
 
Most everyone probably would like to stay at 10 - but in the long run, as other major conferences go to 14 and 16, it's going to kill our ability to negotiate TV contracts because we simply won't have the game inventory the networks are looking for.

Dont you think we're doing well right now though considering? I'm not that smart, but with 14 and 16 team conferences, the watering down of championship opportunities may jump out at nip them in the butt eventually.....IMO.
 
Dont you think we're doing well right now though considering? I'm not that smart, but with 14 and 16 team conferences, the watering down of championship opportunities may jump out at nip them in the butt eventually.....IMO.

The negative is for football. The more teams in your conference, the more coach votes you get in the pole. Remember how the sec beat on okie state for the championship. While I like the round- robin, we can't sit with 10 while other conferences jump up to 14 and 16. Unless they change the bcs, we will need to expand.
 
The negative is for football. The more teams in your conference, the more coach votes you get in the pole. Remember how the sec beat on okie state for the championship. While I like the round- robin, we can't sit with 10 while other conferences jump up to 14 and 16. Unless they change the bcs, we will need to expand.

I like the idea of expanding back to 12 if we can get the teams we want on our terms. I don't like the idea of expanding because everyone else is doing it and settling for schools when we have better options available.
 
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