*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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HoopsTournament
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No. A little thing called OTHER SPORTS especially men's basketball and the crapload of money they get from the NCAA tournament will keep this from happening.
I'm not a frequent poster; nor do I have the time to keep up with this huge thread.
I keep reading about how Pitt and Syracuse approached the ACC and how UCONN was "aggressively pursuing" ACC membership.
These scenarios of a conglomerate of leftovers from the Big East and Big 12 may be a temporary solution but I don't see them being solvent long term. I even doubt that we would compete in that league because we will have damaged our ability to recruit Texas. I think that the impact of this whole thing has probably already damaged our recruiting, maybe significantly.
We should be "aggressively pursuing" a Big 10 membership. This is where we NEED to be for everything to continue at its current trajectory. We should be relentless. Besides the big 12 staying together WITH the remaining 5 south teams, this is the only palatable outcome if we want to continue to grow the program. Joining with the likes of Louisville, Cinci, USF etc would, I fear, be the beginning of a long dark period for ISU football.
I love ISU and always will, but this is starting to affect my interest in college football as a whole.
I keep reading about how Pitt and Syracuse approached the ACC and how UCONN was "aggressively pursuing" ACC membership.
These scenarios of a conglomerate of leftovers from the Big East and Big 12 may be a temporary solution but I don't see them being solvent long term. I even doubt that we would compete in that league because we will have damaged our ability to recruit Texas. I think that the impact of this whole thing has probably already damaged our recruiting, maybe significantly.
We should be "aggressively pursuing" a Big 10 membership. This is where we NEED to be for everything to continue at its current trajectory. We should be relentless. Besides the big 12 staying together WITH the remaining 5 south teams, this is the only palatable outcome if we want to continue to grow the program. Joining with the likes of Louisville, Cinci, USF etc would, I fear, be the beginning of a long dark period for ISU football.
I love ISU and always will, but this is starting to affect my interest in college football as a whole.
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Here is other problem. They would have no "cupcakes" to play in non-con. They would just be eating their own. It would collapse.
Desperate times call for Desperate measures....
or just well calculated ones. The 'forgotten five' are still apart of the Big XII, a TV contracted BCS AQ conference.
1. Apparently the going rate to defect from a conference is $20 million, pretty easy math 5 teams staying collect $20 million from the 5 leaving.
2. We can count and 12 is 12, so we add 7 teams.
Cincinnati - pretty sure they are looking now (TV markets)
Louisville - see above
Memphis - solid basketball (TV market)
TCU - solid FB and they don't have a home next year (TX recruiting & Dallas market)
Houston - solid FB (TX recruiting & TV market)
BYU - solid FB and a National Brand (TV market)
Air Force - solid FB and you cannot go wrong with a Service Academy
3. We create a Big XII network modeled after the B1G network. Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake are Big BIG TV markets.
Dan Beebe, don't make me do your ******* job again.
or just well calculated ones. The 'forgotten five' are still apart of the Big XII, a TV contracted BCS AQ conference.
1. Apparently the going rate to defect from a conference is $20 million, pretty easy math 5 teams staying collect $20 million from the 5 leaving.
2. We can count and 12 is 12, so we add 7 teams.
Cincinnati - pretty sure they are looking now (TV markets)
Louisville - see above
Memphis - solid basketball (TV market)
TCU - solid FB and they don't have a home next year (TX recruiting & Dallas market)
Houston - solid FB (TX recruiting & TV market)
BYU - solid FB and a National Brand (TV market)
Air Force - solid FB and you cannot go wrong with a Service Academy
3. We create a Big XII network modeled after the B1G network. Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake are Big BIG TV markets.
Dan Beebe, don't make me do your ******* job again.
if we don't land in the big 10, Its about basketball now. Get the best basketball teams you can, use the money from any lawsuits and exit fees to invest, attract the best teams you can. sure we'll play football, but not it won't be the same - Louisville will always be relevant in Basketball, that is what we need to become.
The problem there is the donors go away. I am not donating this kind of money to watch bball.
I'm with you. If ISU is relegated to a 2nd class citizen my interest in college football will disappear. Thank God I'm old enough to have gotten my fill.
my theory (hope) is:
OU is working behind the scenes with A&M to make sure both schools stay the course in their plans to go to the PAC/SEC respectively. Texas then applies to the PAC and leaves the big12. BUT Then, OU and A&M say...well, with no Texas we really like the big12, let's add BYU to replace Texas and everyone in Big12 land stays happy.
OU is working behind the scenes with A&M to make sure both schools stay the course in their plans to go to the PAC/SEC respectively. Texas then applies to the PAC and leaves the big12. BUT Then, OU and A&M say...well, with no Texas we really like the big12, let's add BYU to replace Texas and everyone in Big12 land stays happy.
If we go to some Big East/Big 12 hybid with Cincinnati et al...I will still watch if it is on which it won't be very often because the Dbag conferences will take up all the slots. But I won't drive 7 hours to be there. Attendance will slide, donors will dry up, it's the end of football at ISU at this level.
Basketball will be fine but it doesnt require the big dollars football does.
It hasn't affected SMU's endowment or their prestige. SMU, according to US News, is ranked higher than Minnesota, MSU, Iowa, Iowa State, etc...
You need to put this on Twitter w/ unnamed sources then it will be a valid option. I'll wait here.
TIA.
Wow, just wow...I like the positive thinking, but if anyone were to stay it would be texas over OU and A&M...
A conf like this is a disaster for Iowa State, it will never be on TV, same as MWC now. We will get no money. We can't pay our coaches etc...This scenario is a disaster long term I think, reasonable people may disagree. Only hope is you get KU, MU, K State to stay somehow, keep the Big 10 from poaching and somehow get a networkd going.
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NBC/Comcast has been wanting to get into the game so they would have some slots. And from reports - Fox contract will stay or they could get sued for conflict of interest.
Order of games
1. NBC
2. FSN/FX
3. FSN
4. VS (NBC Sports)
5. Big XII Network
6. Big XII network
I have never heard of SMU basketball, all I know about them is they were cheaters in Football and received the Death Penalty for their ways...Iowa State basketball is our best chance to remain nationally relevant bar an unexpected invite from the big 10, that being the case - I believe we need to put all of our focus on becoming elite there, stay with KU, Louisville, maybe add a Memphis, etc. Not ideal, but the best of the least options that APPEAR to be available as a course of action going forward
ummm I guess when we were talking donors I was assuming we were talking about Athletic donors not University.
Plus the endowment of the University doesn't really get spent. So it wouldn't necessarily lower from when it was in a legit conference. I would be intereste in seeing what has happened to the rate of donation to SMU on the academic side since the break up.
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