Maybe you're right, but if I left a billion dollar contract on the table and was in danger of being left behind, I'd sue even if I didn't think my odds of winning were too good.
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Maybe you're right, but if I left a billion dollar contract on the table and was in danger of being left behind, I'd sue even if I didn't think my odds of winning were too good.
Baylor's University President is Ken Starr. I think he knows what he's doing.
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Big 10 Conference established 1896
Original schools:
Illinois
Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
Purdue
Joined later:
Indiana (1899)
Iowa (1899)
Ohio St (1912)
Michigan St (1950)
Penn St (1990)
Nebraska (2011)
In other words, HALF the conference joined after the conference was founded.
Point is that it gets slim pickings very quickly. I'm starting to see 14 as the max except for maybe the Pac because if they extend all the way to Oklahoma, they are going to need 4 teams in that geography for it to make sense otherwise OU and OSU are all by themselves way the heck away from everyone else....sooooo
Pac: UT/Tech/OU/OSU
SEC: WVU/A&M
ACC: Cuse/Pitt
B10: Rutgers/Mizzou
That leaves the following for a conference of leftovers
ISU, KU, KSU, BU, TCU, USF, Louisville, Cincy, UConn
That's 9 teams. Could look to maybe add BYU, UCF and ECU for a conference of 12
West
ISU
KU
KSU
Baylor
TCU
BYU
East
USF
Louisville
Cincy
UConn
UCF
ECU
Ehhh...this is probably a worse case situation
Tonight's Baylor attendance. Baylor Bold! Why again are they in a major conference...oh yeah, politics.
And athletic budget...
I think the B1G needs to add a real AAU team since the last one was booted within months.
Maybe not 15-20 years ago...but with the way ISU's been moving as a university in recent history, we SCREAM Big Ten in almost every way. Growing, large research endowment, updating facilities, regional footprint, land-grant university, supportive (and traveling) fan base, AAU! Our football program would be very competitive even now, and who knows where we could go with Rhoads?
Right now, we'd be in better shape than Purdue and Minnesota, and Illinois is certainly not in amazing shape. Iowa's up and down, Penn State's disappointing, Northwestern is solid but not incredible, and you'd figure that one of Wisconsin and Michigan State will eventually give way and allow Michigan to return to the higher echelon of that league. We could do just as well there as in the Big XII, and our other programs would be very competitive (MBB, WBB, VB, wrestling).
Agreed. They went like 15 years with 11 teams when common sense would say add another to get to 12. They will do whatever THEY want. Their brand is strong enough to sit at 12 when everyone else goes to 14 or 16.
Sure, we'd do better than Purdue, minny, and Indiana, football wise. The VERY important difference is that they're in the conference currently. We are not. Because of that, they aren't questioned. We are asked what we'd bring.
+1...I don't really see the incentive to go to 16 teams just because everybody is doing it. If you're part of a 12 team Big 10, just let other conferences go to 14, 16, 18, or 20 because it means less conference champions you might have to compete with for a national championship. Let other leagues die off one by one and you might have a 30-40% shot at a national championship every year just because there aren't many other contenders.
If you're the Big 10, you're driven by money just like every other conference, and you only add teams if they add value.
My hope is that Pac, SEC and ACC stop at 14 and BIG stays at 12. The Big XII would have 7 teams and be able to build back up to 12 or 14. This would allow the Big XII to add 5 quality teams and stabilize before the next round of raiding. Maybe also add a huge buyout clause.
I don't see how the PAC can stop at 14. Everyone else can but the PAC's only viable option in expansion is B12 teams and you cannot have 2 teams on an island (i.e. OU & OSU) 2 time zones away. That would be a death certificate for those teams.
I get why people throw rutgers out for expansion because they are a big school with AAU membership. They are the only major player in fertile new jersey recruiting. I get all of that.
But their athletic department is a train wreck. I read something in USA today this spring about athletic dept taking huge loans from university. They are a little above average in fb and forgettable in most other sports.
How can adding them raise a conference's profile enough to increase tv revenue? I would think it would be hard to justify for a conference, financially.
But their athletic department is a train wreck. I read something in USA today this spring about athletic dept taking huge loans from university. They are a little above average in fb and forgettable in most other sports.
How can adding them raise a conference's profile enough to increase tv revenue? I would think it would be hard to justify for a conference, financially.
According to Boomer OU is okay with being handed that death certificate as long as it means playing 1 game in California every year.
The more I think about it, the more it puts the strength back in the hands of UT. It makes less than Zero sense for OU and OSU to go to the PAC alone. As long as nobody else blinks (UT, Mizzou, KU, etc) then I think OU/OSU have to stay. Why would they want to be all alone 2 time zones away from the rest of their conference???
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Don't they already have 1 team on an island? Colorado. I know it's only 1 time zone, but it seems to be worse now than if OU & OSU join.
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