*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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Big 12 schools face economic impact of shuffling - ESPN
Nice article from Andy Katz talking about the economic impact this can have on schools. Mentions ISU and all the projects going on based on the new TV contracts.
Nice article from Andy Katz talking about the economic impact this can have on schools. Mentions ISU and all the projects going on based on the new TV contracts.
Worth listening to. Cliff notes version....
Big East guy says WTF is everyone thinking??? This is ridiculous.
Nebraska guy tries to act like it's not all about money but obviously it is!
Joe Schad says, hell yes it's all about money, everything is!
Lot's of good comments about sending student athletes 1000 miles being ridiculous and that things like TCU in the Big East makes no sense, etc. Football is one thing. You travel 5-6 times a year. Think about volleyball, basketball, softball, etc. That is A LOT of travel!!!
Do athletes get to collect frequent flyer miles or is that considered compensation? Could be good or the miles account!
A few highlights
Big 12 athletic directors were given a list of schools to contact a few weeks ago once it became clear that Texas A&M would be departing the conference for membership in the SEC.
Arkansas and BYU were contacted but then, according to multiple sources, the athletic directors who were given the instructions did not reach out to the other three schools on the list -- Pittsburgh, Louisville and West Virginia of the Big East -- because Oklahoma president David Boren made comments that the Sooners were unsettled in their situation as a member of the Big 12 and were exploring their options.
Iowa State went ahead with projects after the Fox contract was completed and took out $40 million in bonds based on the deal. Iowa State has invested $5 million in a new video board, $20 million in a football building and an estimated $15 million in a sports complex for track, soccer and softball. The video board project began in July for this football season and the other two projects are under construction.
"The taxpayers of Iowa can't pay if those bonds fall through," a source said Wednesday. "These are real questions, real situations. I'm not sure how (Iowa State) could waive those (legal) rights (to sue the SEC)."
Multiple sources told ESPN.com that a number of Big 12 schools were floored moreso by Oklahoma's decision to look elsewhere than Texas A&M's desire to leave.
As a result, the conferences are now facing off while in survival mode. One source said that the reason the Big 12 ADs did not consider any other schools in Texas like SMU, Rice, Houston or UTEP out of Conference-USA or TCU from the Mountain West and soon-to-be Big East is the feeling that if one Texas school was invited, then others would be politically forced upon the Big 12.
"Three weeks ago the nine schools felt they were solidified and would go get a 10th," a source said. "The list was being worked, two calls were made and there were three more to go.
"If four leave, say, and then there are five left, the five can stay together to retain the Big 12 money, retain the automatic berth to the BCS and the automatic berth in the NCAA tournament for a two-year period. But then the Big East would have nine and would only need three more. The Big 12 would need seven more. How ludicrous is that? At some point you have to call a timeout and say 'stop.' No athletic administrator has said 16 is a great idea."
A source said Missouri is confident that if the SEC is pursuing a 14th school then the Tigers are high on the SEC's radar. The ACC would be next if the Tigers were to look elsewhere. The Big East, according to the source, would be the third choice and the worst it could be for the Tigers in football (in basketball, obviously, would be a plus). The source said there has been no contact or presumed interest from the Big Ten and that Missouri assumes that the Big Ten isn't interested in it or additional expansion.
Sounds like OU decided to blow the whole thing up after promising to commit to the Big 12, then threw dynamite in the closet without giving expansion a chance.
At least the KU team blogger is honest
Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com
That's all for now. Here's my updated percentage wheel... for now.
Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com
That's all for now. Here's my updated percentage wheel... for now.
- Big 12 - 33%
- Big East - 27%
- ACC - 18%
- Pac-12 - 12%
- Big Ten - 10%
100% agree. You claim you're leaving the Big 12 because of lack of stability when you're the one causing it without exploring all your expansion targets. Nice. Very Nice Oklahoma.
I should've included that last part of the Katz article too...
"Who can you trust now? It's so unfortunate that it has come to this," said a source with knowledge of the Big 12's situation. "Everyone is working independently. No one is being straight with anyone anymore."
Ahhh...I love the integrity of the people we trust with our higher education. All they can do is lie. Getting worse than politicians.
It only took 10968 posts to finally get some solid information.
Great job everyone!!!
What I took from this:
-OU is a giant d bag and worse than Aggie in this whole mess.
-At minimum, BYU would have joined and 10 would have been a great number. Arkansas would rather beat their chest about being in the SEC and getting their butts kicked than join the Big 12. Who knows what Pitt, Louisville and West Virginia would do.
-OU sux
-The paragraph about Iowa State borrowing money to pay for their improvements is the number 1 reason Iowa government will get involved if **** hits the fan. Who pays for it when we were promised money? (Side note, a buddy of mine, huge hawk homer was convinced that his tax dollars paid for the new scoreboard, idiot)
-I would not be surprised if OU helped push Aggy out the door.
-Cooler heads will prevail eventually and Iowa State will be fine. I don't know where that will be, but we will be fine. I have a sneaky suspicion we come out of this tunnel of **** smelling like roses.
If you're OU, why wouldn't you at least keep your mouth shut for another week until you at least know if all the expansion options were off the table???
If you still decide to leave after that, then whatever, but don't promise to stick to a 10 team Big 12 then blow the whole thing up without giving it a chance.
All this backstabbing is amazing. I vote that the US gov't intervenes and names CyBer the new president of OU.
I totally agree. I don't know why, but JP's silence somehow makes me feel okay with the situation. Somewhere, there's a plan B that's a pretty good one.
I heard he was pretty optimistic up till about 1 week ago and is pretty flustered and worried. I hope that has changed since I heard that.... :frown:
The NCAA can stop all of this mega conference crap by using the "death penalty". Bring it down on these big schools that cheat and abuse the system. They are primarily responsible for it. If there are 4 16 team conferences the NCAA will be told to take a hike eventually.
OU, UT, and A&M need to be investigated as well, probably by the feds. They are trying to tear apart college sports, and government institutions. A&M is more than likely a pawn of UT an OU, but they are a part of it. I don't blame Nebraska or Colorado at all. This crap started two years ago and they had a chance to get out of it.
SCREW THEM ALL
OU, UT, and A&M need to be investigated as well, probably by the feds. They are trying to tear apart college sports, and government institutions. A&M is more than likely a pawn of UT an OU, but they are a part of it. I don't blame Nebraska or Colorado at all. This crap started two years ago and they had a chance to get out of it.
SCREW THEM ALL
exactly, and as long as ISU is in that group i would be very happy with the NCAA taking a hike.
Sounds like OU could be in the cross-hairs of some significant litigation risk. TV deal was approved by all 10 after last year's near meltdown. OU has as much risk as A&M in TI suit in whatever conference they would land in. Add to that the fact their president is/was a key member on the expansion committee after A&M serves notice of its exit, he gives direction to other conference members regarding expansion targets, then sabotages said efforts toward expansion. I'm sure there are bright attorneys that would like to take a run at that fact pattern...
Bylaws trump contracts. Want to stop any school from leaving? Change the bylaws.
There's a reason OU is moving deliberately slow at this point, they understand the potential litigation risks...so does the SEC. The comments by Slive on Monday night were meant to tell OU that the SEC will be patient, yet they're moving ahead with scheduling concerns for A&M and the conference, but will be patient and let you, OU be the focus of the disintegration of the Big XII.
OU countered by letting everyone know they can sit and wait to make a decision in a month or so....whenever they want quite frankly. By design telling Slive, you'll be the one to draw the fire not OU...
Everyone else just has to wait....
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