CycloneErik
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I think your option is pretty strong. BYU gives that national presence, and Louisville and Air Force are competitively balanced without bringing too much strength.
In that scenario, I like Air Force.
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I think your option is pretty strong. BYU gives that national presence, and Louisville and Air Force are competitively balanced without bringing too much strength.
In that scenario, I like Air Force.
Jesus, if we invite Air Force, then we are indeed a sad conference. Why in the heck would we not go after Louisville and BYU instead of AF? Obviously ND and Arkansas would be a clear 1 and 2, but assuming they don't want anything to do with us, then the next best options would be BYU and Lousiville, in that order.
Well, the top 3 did say Notre Dame, BYU, AF, in that order. So byu is in there.
But yeah, Louisville would be a MUCH more attractive option than AF.
I would like to hear the advantages of AF. Could someone who likes that option sell it to the rest of us? Cause I don't see it. Thanks!
Those names sound great, but ND has to be a crazy long shot unless some major concessions are made.
Boomer -- anyone at OU think that losing A&M is actually a major advantage as far as reaching the title game goes? Now, you have about an 80% chance of a BCS appearance if you beat UT and a much better chance at a national title game without A&M or a conference championship game on the schedule. Head to the Pac-16 and you potentially face not only UT but USC, Oregon, and UCLA (down recently but very good historically) and a conference championship game. Unless the Pac contracts have the ability to be reworked if more teams are added, the money would be similar once the Big 12 rights are renegotiated in 2015.
I'm going to stick with what I said yesterday on page 20:
If I were in charge my phone calls would go right down this list:
ND
BYU
Louisville
Pitt
TCU
West Virginia
Cincinnati
(Getting a group of 5 Big East Football teams as a group is probably easier than just one or two)
Arkansas (I'd put them up higher if I actually thought they'd consider leaving the SEC... but since I've seen the name thrown out before... I'll put them on the list.)
Boise St. (assuming we got BYU)
Remaining 3 Big East football teams.
Any other BCS schools crazy enough to want to get in on this action. (again... if I thought any such school existed... they'd probably shoot up the list fast)
Top schools from lower conferences that best fit financially and academically.
Going down that pecking order... once we reached that magical 16 ... we stop. I say we send Fred Hoiberg, TJ, and Matt A after these schools and we might just land the top 7 and be considered the top power conference in both football and basketball (with the demise of the big east... and the addition of some top shelf football teams).
Might sill end up second to SEC in football... but would have to think we pass up whatever Big 10 would be able to come up with to get to 16.
Ahhh... it's nice to be a dreamer.
If I were in charge my phone calls would go right down this list:
ND
BYU
Louisville
Pitt
TCU
West Virginia
Cincinnati
(Getting a group of 5 Big East Football teams as a group is probably easier than just one or two)
Arkansas (I'd put them up higher if I actually thought they'd consider leaving the SEC... but since I've seen the name thrown out before... I'll put them on the list.)
Boise St. (assuming we got BYU)
Remaining 3 Big East football teams.
Any other BCS schools crazy enough to want to get in on this action. (again... if I thought any such school existed... they'd probably shoot up the list fast)
Top schools from lower conferences that best fit financially and academically.
Going down that pecking order... once we reached that magical 16 ... we stop. I say we send Fred Hoiberg, TJ, and Matt A after these schools and we might just land the top 7 and be considered the top power conference in both football and basketball (with the demise of the big east... and the addition of some top shelf football teams).
Might sill end up second to SEC in football... but would have to think we pass up whatever Big 10 would be able to come up with to get to 16.
Ahhh... it's nice to be a dreamer.
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I never figured we had much of a shot with ND (still don't) but their name sure seems to be getting tossed around a lot (according to 'sources'). I know it's just speculation but I'm can't help but wonder just how much Texas has been in ND's ear.
Pac 12 contracts have the ability to be reworked. There is a misconception that just cause 10 chools split 12 slices this year that 9 schools can just split 12.. that wont happen
OU position is this.. Expand with viable teams or the conference is not healthy in the face of a SEC14, Pac12 or Big Ten.. No matter how easy the march to a conference crown is how big a lure will it be if a OU or Texas team runs the table & gets slotted behind a 12-1 USC or 11-2 LSU team?
Oklahoma is extremely interested in the Pac if the Big XII cant establish a national identity
Assuming ND is unwilling to join a conference unless it absolutely has to, seems like there would be a lot of advantage to signing BYU up now and then waiting for more dominos to fall. If the SEC raids the ACC for a team or three, then they will be unstable. Plus, if that happens as everyone seems to believe they will, then it's hard to imagine a scenario where the Big East doesn't get hit by the ACC and/or Big 10. When it does, and assuming a few teams out of Louisville, Miami, South Florida, West Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, George Tech, Clemson, TCU and Pitt might have gone unpicked, seems like that would be the perfect scneario to pick up 2 more to get the conference back to 12 or go to 14. Even ND might see the writing on the wall and be looking for its best conference option at that point. It's like the conference between the Big 12, ACC and Big East that can stick together will reap the benefits and be the conference that joins the SEC/B1G and Pac 12 in the upper echelon.
So it sounds like riding a 9 team conference for a year or so is out the window and immediate expansion is necessary with the biggest question being whether it's back to 10 or back up to 12?
CycloneErik
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Anyone at OU tried to talk some sense into Texas and turn the LHN into a conference wide network? Depending on the team or 3 teams added there COULD be a wide geography/fanbases covered. Depending on the teams picked up the network could be MORE valuable then the Big 10 Network. This is the only way i see stability over the long term, one network for the conference, not one huge one and several small ones.
I will dispute one of your prior posts about adding ND being the only way OU stays. I assume OU has given the ok to add teams like BYU, Louisville and New Mexico and the Big 12 has the assurance from OU they will stay or else the Big 12 would not approach them. I see no way the Big 12 gets ND.
I cannot ever imagine a scenario where OU or Texas runs the table and gets slotted behind a 1 loss USC or LSU. Look at the rankings this year. The Big 12 will not be be of substandard quality with or without A&M. I'm also all for building a national identity. I just think BYU is the only realistic option that gets us where we want to go right now (and is an adequate replacement for A&M). After that, we might be better staying patient and waiting for the other shoe to drop -- Va Tech or FSU -- which will create a domino effect of instability in the ACC and Big East possibly convincing the members of those conferences that the Big 12 is the way to go.
CycloneErik
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So forgive me if this is buried in the thread somewhere, but what is the buyout tamu is gonna have to fork over and will it be split evenly among the 9 schools?
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