while the bolded part is reality .... them paying full price isn't. There WILL be a negotiated payout.
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while the bolded part is reality .... them paying full price isn't. There WILL be a negotiated payout.
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I hate to say it, but there will not ever be a N/S alignment again.. I would almost go as far and guarantee that OU and UT will never be on the same side of the conference again if they go to 12.
The weak North is one of the reasons why the old Big 12 blew up. No one wanted to watch the North games (outside of Neb) and the population bases where not engaged in the North games... No Texas or Oklahoma ties killed the value to the networks and lead to the poor payout on the last deal when it was set at 12 teams.
The weak North is one of the reasons why the old Big 12 blew up. No one wanted to watch the North games (outside of Neb) and the population bases where not engaged in the North games... No Texas or Oklahoma ties killed the value to the networks and lead to the poor payout on the last deal when it was set at 12 teams.
I hear this argued both ways. Half the time it's argued the way you put it - plus you would almost always see a Texas v. Oklahoma Big 12 Championship. I also see it argued that Texas and Oklahoma want to be in the same division because the division winner would have a virtual cakewalk to the Big 12 Championship and BCS/National Title game.
What it means is it's all simply pure speculation and nobody knows what the hell is going to happen. The Big 12 may never go back to 12 anyway for all we know.
The problem with the whole 'you need to separate OU\TX' is assuming that because theyve very clearly held the power on the field most of the past 10 years that they will continue to. Things appear to be trending the other direction, with a lot more parity in this league.
I don't think it's so much of a payout, as it is the Big 12 keeping their pieces of the pie from tv contracts and other revenues this year.
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I think it's funny how Mizzoulander calls the Big 12 dysfunctional when Mizzou is leaving. Bye bye dysfunction.
Irony: Big XII playing hardball with A&M/Mizzu and complaining about the Big East plays hardball with WVU.
I don't follow your logic. Why would OU and Texas want to be in separate divisions? The Red-River Rivaly won't be going anywhere, so then potentially they'd have to play each other twice. The Big10 will discover their mistake if an undefeated OSU beats an undefeated Mich and then has to play them again the following week and lose to them in the championship game. Then neither team is undefeated and no NC game.
WVU is leaving a big east that had already lost a ton, both a few years ago and continuing with Syracuse\Pitt (and one other remaining member, Louisville, was openly campaigning for a spot, so if they stayed in the big east theyd likely be facing a BE minus Pitt\Syr\Lville) If mizzou\TAMU were staying we'd still be an extremely strong conference. There's a lot less justification for them to leave the big 12 than there is for WVU to leave the big east.
Interesting point, but Big XII isn't really playing hardball with the timing of their departure. It is my understanding that the Big East is trying to keep WVU for two years. Thats different then simply trying to get paid.
Good point there as well. WVU from day 1 has said they were going to pay the buyout, and i believe already paid part of it.
That's because the Big East and the Big 12 tried two different methods of coercing teams not to leave the conference. The Big 12 relied on a large withholding of league money, include FUTURE revenues, while the Big East went with a much smaller buyout (like $5M) and a stipulation that any team would have to give 27 months notice to leave. Both were meant to make withdrawing from the conference a more difficult task for dissatisfied schools.
Interestingly enough, neither tactic worked. Both conferences continued to lose schools, and the provisions (big payouts for the Big 12, or long waiting periods for the Big East) have not been fully enforced on any departing team in either conference.
In the end, both conferences will get paid (the Big East can't FORCE WVU to stick around). The only question is how much.
Been overseas for awhile (military)...just getting back into the swing of things!!
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