The charge calls

[Clonefan94]

Charging is the worst call in College basketball right now. Not saying it shouldn't exist, but the rules for it needs to be changed, a lot. I'm not saying they aren't valid calls as the rule stands now, but it slows the game down way too much and turns it into a soccer flopping match as opposed to a basketball game.

 

[IcSyU]

Charging is the worst call in College basketball right now. Not saying it shouldn't exist, but the rules for it needs to be changed, a lot. I'm not saying they aren't valid calls as the rule stands now, but it slows the game down way too much and turns it into a soccer flopping match as opposed to a basketball game.

Illegal screens can give it a run for its money.

 

[Clonefan94]

Illegal screens can give it a run for its money.

Very true.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I agree with you, ruxCYtable, that moving one's feet does not preclude one from taking a charge. But the guidelines the NCAA published for referees in March 2012 included this section:



Committees address court surfacing - NCAA.com

I should have read your post more closely but I also heard back from my friend.

This point of emphasis refers specifically to an airborne offensive player. Too many officials were allowing defenders to slide in under an offensive player who had left his feet to shoot or pass and draw a charge doing so. In this case, the defender must be in position prior to the offensive player leaving his feet. The rule has always been this way but it was felt a lot of these types of plays were being called incorrectly and it was made a point of emphasis.

This situation does not refer to a dribbler, however. Once the defensive player has obtained legal guarding position in front of the dribbler, the burden is on the offensive player to avoid contact. If contact occurs on the torso, it is to be called a charge. If the offensive player gets his head and shoulders around the defender, which typically results in contact BELOW the torso, it is to be called a block.

I hope this helps clarify these two situations. I'll shut up now.

 

[CycloneVet]

Also, did anyone else see the Drake fan on TV calling for an intentional foul on McGee when he tried getting a charge call near the end of the game? Hilarious.

They have stupid fans, I bet they use the term over the back, ******* morons. How could someone be so stupid, to actually use the phrase "over the back". They don't know anything about basketball.

 

[andymhallman]

I don't have a huge problem with the way charges are called at the NCAA level. I don't like the no-charge-for-secondary-defenders semi-circle under the basket since it forces the referees to pay too much attention to a player's feet and not at where the contact occurs on the body and who was moving into whom.

The call that bugs me is the jump ball. I see a lot of jump balls called when there was not dual possession. A lot of times this happens when a defensive player blocks a shot with one hand and the offensive player comes down with the ball. The defender never really gets possession, so it should either be no call or traveling on the offensive player.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I don't have a huge problem with the way charges are called at the NCAA level. I don't like the no-charge-for-secondary-defenders semi-circle under the basket since it forces the referees to pay too much attention to a player's feet and not at where the contact occurs on the body and who was moving into whom.

The call that bugs me is the jump ball. I see a lot of jump balls called when there was not dual possession. A lot of times this happens when a defensive player blocks a shot with one hand and the offensive player comes down with the ball. The defender never really gets possession, so it should either be no call or traveling on the offensive player.

Agree on the semi-circle. I think it overly-complicates what should be a simple situation.

On the held ball, this is not a judgment call that officials are making, that is what the rule is. If the defender gets a hand on the ball and prevents the release, it is a held ball by rule. So what you are suggesting would require a rule change.

While we're on the subject of rule changes, I find the whole concept of alternating possession to be kind of silly. I think we should go back to the old way and have the two guys jump it up. The argument against this I've heard is it takes too much time. Well, instead of going to the center or the free throw line, do it right at the spot of the tie-up and IMMEDIATELY, like they do drops in soccer. Just a thought while we're on the subject of rules changes.

 

[VeloClone]

While we're on the subject of rule changes, I find the whole concept of alternating possession to be kind of silly. I think we should go back to the old way and have the two guys jump it up. The argument against this I've heard is it takes too much time. Well, instead of going to the center or the free throw line, do it right at the spot of the tie-up and IMMEDIATELY, like they do drops in soccer. Just a thought while we're on the subject of rules changes.

I like rewarding smaller guys for tying up taller players. A 5'10" guard who ties up a 7 footer should have a chance at the ball. I like rules that slow down the trend of basketball being a game solely about having exclusively taller players. The alternate possession rule and the three point line are two things that slowed this inevitable progression.

 

[CY88CE11]

Also, did anyone else see the Drake fan on TV calling for an intentional foul on McGee when he tried getting a charge call near the end of the game? Hilarious.

Was this the guy in the front row, opposite the benches? I was watching him all afternoon. What a maroon.

 

[wonkadog]

I saw the idiot on t.v. Right before that he was screaming for an over-the-back call.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I saw the idiot on t.v. Right before that he was screaming for an over-the-back call.

That confirms it. He obviously knows nothing about basketball.

 

[Freebird]

Also, did anyone else see the Drake fan on TV calling for an intentional foul on McGee when he tried getting a charge call near the end of the game? Hilarious.

Funny that others also caught it. It was on for just a split second but I remember thinking that he must be the absolute dumbest bb fan in the building.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Funny that others also caught it. It was on for just a split second but I remember thinking that he must be the absolute dumbest bb fan in the building.

Can someone post it on youtube for those of us who don't have mediacom? I gotta get a load of this guy.

 

[Cycsk]

Yes, the refs took Gibson out of the game early. That was too bad because he was hot and it seemed like Hoiberg had given him a green light. However, we benefited overall from the over-aggressive calling of fouls. Ben Simons sat on the bench through most of the first half. And they had lots of their guys fouling out during the second half.

 

[Cycsk]

Was this the guy in the front row, opposite the benches? I was watching him all afternoon. What a maroon.

Actually, wasn't he wearing "blue?"

And was he the guy who went out on the court once to wipe up a spot?

He really thought he was a big shot and wanted everyone to know he was there.

 

[iahawkhunter]

That confirms it. He obviously knows nothing about basketball.

I see this sentiment a lot whenever someone mentions "over the back". I understand that it's not a true foul (should be a push IIRC), but has this always been the case? I ask because when I played as a kid (haven't played since ~2000 when I was in junior high) I remember seeing plenty of fouls called as over-the-back. Did the label get changed in the meantime, or were the refs I saw just not calling it correctly?

 

[ruxCYtable]

I see this sentiment a lot whenever someone mentions "over the back". I understand that it's not a true foul (should be a push IIRC), but has this always been the case? I ask because when I played as a kid (haven't played since ~2000 when I was in junior high) I remember seeing plenty of fouls called as over-the-back. Did the label get changed in the meantime, or were the refs I saw just not calling it correctly?

It is strictly an issue of terminology. The term "over the back" has come to be interpreted by some that it is illegal for a player in outside position to get a rebound, even if he does so without causing contact. So I think the powers that be in basketball are simply making an effort to get rid of that term and replace it with "on the back" or "push in the back" or something similar, to reduce confusion.

Another term they are trying to get rid of is a foul being called "on the floor," because it is entirely possible to have a shooting foul for a player who is still on the ground. The key is if he has begun his, what they call "habitual shooting motion." They want officials to refrain from using the term "on the floor" and instead simply say "before the shot" or even simply "no shot."

 

[iahawkhunter]

It is strictly an issue of terminology. The term "over the back" has come to be interpreted by some that it is illegal for a player in outside position to get a rebound, even if he does so without causing contact. So I think the powers that be in basketball are simply making an effort to get rid of that term and replace it with "on the back" or "push in the back" or something similar, to reduce confusion.

Another term they are trying to get rid of is a foul being called "on the floor," because it is entirely possible to have a shooting foul for a player who is still on the ground. The key is if he has begun his, what they call "habitual shooting motion." They want officials to refrain from using the term "on the floor" and instead simply say "before the shot" or even simply "no shot."

Thanks!

 

[CY88CE11]

Actually, wasn't he wearing "blue?"

And was he the guy who went out on the court once to wipe up a spot?

He really thought he was a big shot and wanted everyone to know he was there.

Sorry, you're right...that fan BLUE chunks.

 

[GMackey32]

Actually, wasn't he wearing "blue?"

And was he the guy who went out on the court once to wipe up a spot?

He really thought he was a big shot and wanted everyone to know he was there.

I watched this guy in the first game also. He put on a UNI shirt and was actively rooting for them against Iowa. During the intermission he changed to his Drake shirt. The guy I was with said he acts like that at the Knapp center too (Strategizing with the players, getting in the opposing players faces, going onto the court, trying to get the ref to call certain fouls, etc.). It seems like Drake has their own white version of Spike Lee.