Stop underutilizing Ward

You are ASSUMING you know why TJ makes the decisions he does without any actual evidence put forward that you actually know why TJ and staff make their decisions.

Fact or no?

It's like arguing with a weed wacker.

Edit: and stop attacking my responses before I start a thread complaining about it while providing more ammo for others to point out my obssessive takes over a decent basketball team that may or may not win a game or two in the NCAA tournament.

Pot calling the kettle black here.

I've never said I know exactly WHY TJ makes decisions. But as we've seen, coaches (across multiple sports...hardly limited to TJ here) aren't infallible. I readily concede there maaayyy be something I/we don't know. I also have watched Ward play (as have the rest of us) and don't see ANYTHING limiting his play. Based on previous mistakes TJ has made, like BRE's over-usage last year (when he was terrible), Osun's under-utilization, and Pavs playing time TJ has and can be prone to these errors. Given that I'd say my supposition is equally, if not more likely, correct than yours.

The difference is I'm not completely discounting what you say whereas you and multiple others are mine. It's like TJ can't possibly be wrong because he's the coach.
 
Pot calling the kettle black here.

I've never said I know exactly WHY TJ makes decisions. But as we've seen, coaches (across multiple sports...hardly limited to TJ here) aren't infallible. I readily concede there maaayyy be something I/we don't know. I also have watched Ward play (as have the rest of us) and don't see ANYTHING limiting his play. Based on previous mistakes TJ has made, like BRE's over-usage last year (when he was terrible), Osun's under-utilization, and Pavs playing time TJ has and can be prone to these errors. Given that I'd say my supposition is equally, if not more likely, correct than yours.

The difference is I'm not completely discounting what you say whereas you and multiple others are mine. It's like TJ can't possibly be wrong because he's the coach.

I'll say it again: You don't know if these are errors because you don't have any concrete evidence from the coach himself or his staff or anyone to actually know why the decisions are made and when.

If this is such a hard concept for you, seek it out and get back to us on why it's happening, not just YOUR anecdotal evidence just because you watch the ******* game.
 
Because we're not even one month removed from him coming back from a foot injury and he has been getting eased into games, plus we're winning with this formula. Ward will continue to play more as time goes on. We also haven't mentioned that we've also gone lineups where Tre has been the 5 and Watson has come in as the 4. So there's another thing we haven't even considered - matchups. That also takes away Ward and even Bob's minutes.

Good post. This is the kind of responses that spur thinking and make boards fun.

I don't disagree with what you are saying with matchups. Watson is the other guy who I think needs to play more. I was also one of the more vocal King supporters last year (he should have played over BRE a lot more than he did) but think he's getting too many minutes this year. He's BREing offensively way too much when he gets the ball down in the paint. When he's not rebounding he's probably our worst player that plays significant time.

King was atrocious when he got the ball anywhere other than outside in the KU game. But he shot the ball well and was smart enough to realize he was and kept shooting. Something he's virtually never done in the past. He also rebounded insanely well, not just in numbers, but with positioning/blocking out (which he is poor at for his size and length).
 
Good post. This is the kind of responses that spur thinking and make boards fun.

I don't disagree with what you are saying with matchups. Watson is the other guy who I think needs to play more. I was also one of the more vocal King supporters last year (he should have played over BRE a lot more than he did) but think he's getting too many minutes this year. He's BREing offensively way too much when he gets the ball down in the paint. When he's not rebounding he's probably our worst player that plays significant time.

King was atrocious when he got the ball anywhere other than outside in the KU game. But he shot the ball well and was smart enough to realize he was and kept shooting. Something he's virtually never done in the past. He also rebounded insanely well, not just in numbers, but with positioning/blocking out (which he is poor at for his size and length).
I like King shooting the short corner jumper and if he's knocking down threes like he's been (probably not likely), he becomes highly efficient on offense. He's best though sitting in the short corner while guards drive and he can receive the pass for a dunk or layup. When he tries to go back to the basket, things don't bode well for him.
 
@ZRF What is the goal of this thread? Do you hope that TJ reads it and names you assistant coach, are you looking to argue with other people, or do you not have anyone in your life that will conversate with you about this stuff because you are so insufferable about it?

He' the guy in the meeting that talks in business buzz words to make himself sound smart to everyone else. But they all know he's an moron know it all.
 
Since we don't have a midweek game, this is a kinda fun game to play with ZRF. Easy to get some windmill throw downs on him and even some and-ones. He's still a caitlyn clark type whiner even though he makes less shots. He is unidentified on this board but must have gone to the Tang School of Coaching and truly does have cameras in TJ's huddle to access the information to show how TJ is mismanaging this team. There is a parallel between a regular game as viewed by ZRF and one played against ZRF: you can do everything wrong and still win
 
I didn't read the whole thread so maybe someone touched on this already.

Given that he's probably just hitting his stride coming back from injury, I don't have a huge problem with his usage this year. He is the guy I want on the floor late protecting the rim so whatever it takes to accomplish that is how it needs to be.

It sounds like he's grown a lot in the off-season but him being in witness protection most of last year was the more baffling thing to me.
 
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Not really.

Ward is one of those rare breeds who impacts the games without picking up standard stats. In terms of their games and what they bring to the floor they aren't comparable. And saying Ward is more valuable isn't a slight against Jones in the least.
I actually might agree with your overall point this time. Ward's on-off numbers in Big 12 play are great and way better than Jones (last year, however, Jones was great on the on-off metrics). But I'm confused by the bolded point. You've refused to acknowledge Jones's unseen impact before but are now claiming that impact for Ward.

The way I see it, Ward's impact is much more accurately picked up by standard stats and rate stats because his impact comes through in blocks, steals, and high-efficiency offense. On the other hand, Jones cutting off a driver before he gets to the lane doesn't come through in the box score whatsoever. What do you think Ward is doing that isn't accurately reflected in his stats more than what any other player does that doesn't come through in stats?
 
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He' the guy in the meeting that talks in business buzz words to make himself sound smart to everyone else. But they all know he's an moron know it all.

The relative or acquaintance who constantly gaslights to get you to feel their dysfunction to appease their own issues.
 
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Could Ward play more than he has? Sure. but he also fouls at a higher rate than anyone on the team. And Jones is having a good season as well so it is difficult. I think the KU was the first game he played more minutes than Jones. Maybe that starts being a regular thing. where instead of Jones 22 and Ward 18 minutes it flips to Ward 22 and Jones 18.
 
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I actually might agree with your overall point this time. Ward's on-off numbers in Big 12 play are great and way better than Jones (last year, however, Jones was great on the on-off metrics). But I'm confused by the bolded point. You've refused to acknowledge Jones's unseen impact before but are now claiming that impact for Ward.

The way I see it, Ward's impact is much more accurately picked up by standard stats and rate stats because his impact comes through in blocks, steals, and high-efficiency offense. On the other hand, Jones cutting off a driver before he gets to the lane doesn't come through in the box score whatsoever. What do you think Ward is doing that isn't accurately reflected in his stats more than what any other player does that doesn't come through in stats?
I would guess that guys don't want to attempt to shoot in the lane when he is there because of his shot blocking but other than that what else could there be?
 

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