Steve Prohm

[Clonefan32]

Every coach in the county misses on kids. Everyone knew going in the staff was taking chance on those players sad thing is it didn't work out. As for the other two who, knows, not every player hit the court ready to go.

Prohm cannot win when it comes to some fans. He gets talented players in and then gets blasted when they leave to get paid. When he brings in players that are going to be 4 year players he gets blasted because they are not ready from day one.

I will say I don't think I've seen too many situations where it's apparent kids aren't Big 12 material before the first exhibition. That is a pretty serious evaluation miss.

As for the "4 year player" thing, I guess I'm still waiting to see a freshman that he brings in that he develops into a serviceable 4 year player. It's been very much feast or famine on high school players.

With that said, I certainly don't fault him for having some kids leave early on him. That's great he's brought in that type of talent.

 

[HawkJRP]

this team isn’t tough.. last years team wasn’t tough... I’m not advocating our HC throw chairs but certain teams need a coach who will send a msg.. daily. Prohm isn’t that HC and it’s becoming a big problem

Wasnt there a narrative earlier this season, I want to say after the Seton Hall game in Hilton, that this ISU team was tough and that is how they were going to win games this season?

It seemed fairly prevalent on Twitter from ISU fans and reporters that cover ISU.

 

[Bader]

Wasnt there a narrative earlier this season, I want to say after the Seton Hall game in Hilton, that this ISU team was tough and that is how they were going to win games this season?

It seemed fairly prevalent on Twitter from ISU fans and reporters that cover ISU.

Oh look, opinions nobody wants. Get back in the hole douchebag

 

[Sigmapolis]

They got upset in the first round of the tourney, but had a better overall season and had way fewer head scratching losses. Finished 2nd in the conference instead of 5th. Had Prohm gone 12-6 last year it would have looked much better.

The losses to Maryland, South Carolina, Texas Tech, letting Scott Drew shoot the lights out in Hilton, fumbling the game away against Kansas State, and UAB were all pretty much WTF moments for me when it came to that team, too.

Dude, that team has nothing to do with Prohm but they went 12-6 in the league and won the big 12 tourney, in a much tougher big 12.They had 10 league games vs top 25 teams that season vs 5 for last years team. No comparison to that season and last year.

But what is your excuse for why that team did not win the Big 12 regular season and make a deep run into the NCAA tournament?

Honest question.

 

[Dingus]

A bad team won the Big 12 tournament?

Was talking about us this year. (Lottery pick plus 3 4-5 yr guys starting should be decent.)

 

[awd4cy]

The losses to Maryland, South Carolina, Texas Tech, letting Scott Drew shoot the lights out in Hilton, fumbling the game away against Kansas State, and UAB were all pretty much WTF moments for me when it came to that team, too.



But what is your excuse for why that team did not win the Big 12 regular season and make a deep run into the NCAA tournament?

Honest question.

Maryland was a 4 seed in the tourney and that was an early game on a neutral court, so I’m not sure why that was a wtf loss to you, Baylor was a 3 seed that year and just really executed at the end of that game, I’ll give you the rest.

Last year we got blown out by last place WVU, blown out by an average Iowa team, handled at home by a TCU team that wasn’t even in the tourney, blown out at Texas who wasn’t that great, lost to a horrible Arizona team, lost to a not so great Ohio State team.

2014-15 was disappointing, but finishing 2nd in the big 12 and 1 game away from a tie for the conference champis a hell of a lot closer than 5 games back finishing 5th.

 

[Cy$]

Cool post, turd.

Because I called you out for posting something completely false?

Here is the thing, Iowa State, particularly their athletic department doesn't owe you or anyone else anything.

Be mad, want Prohm fired, don't go to the games. It won't change anything.

I don't live in Iowa and really could care less about the hawk game or anything hawk related. The FAMU loss was brutal, but I don't get embarrassed about how some kids played a game. I get embarrassed about how our fans have handled it.

Someones mad. This is no way to act Cat/cylove/mikem

 

[heitclone]

The losses to Maryland, South Carolina, Texas Tech, letting Scott Drew shoot the lights out in Hilton, fumbling the game away against Kansas State, and UAB were all pretty much WTF moments for me when it came to that team, too.



But what is your excuse for why that team did not win the Big 12 regular season and make a deep run into the NCAA tournament?

Honest question.

Not winning the big 12, I talked about, totally loaded league, as tough as its ever been. The tourney is a crap shoot, I don't really fault Prohm for that last year, there were several factors that made that a bad matchup for our team. It wasn't one thing that went wrong last year, the entire season was full of ups and downs. I'm not on the fire Prohm wagon yet, I just think we've seen what we're going to get with him. He's a bring in studs and roll the ball out type of coach, that works for a guy like Roy Williams because he's coached at blue bloods, much different at a school like ISU.

I've been a Cyclone fan since the day I was born, so I've been through all the tough time's you have as a Cyclone fan (you're younger than me so I'd say the Criner and Walden years trump anything you've seen) and can understand why some fans are ok just making the tourney. With that experience I can also say that no other coach has been set up for success like Steve. No fans should be ridiculed for expecting the program to take the next step, let alone disappointed with a rebuild in year 5.

 

[CascadeClone]

Who would you play on this roster instead of Nixon? I don't see many upgrades on the current roster.

That is a problem, to be sure. Grill and Jackson aren't ready for prime time from what I've seen so far. I guess I would play Lewis more. At least then when Bolton drives he would have 2 guys to kick out to for 3s. Right now I feel like teams collapse on Bolton and cover Hali, and are more than happy to let Nixon take open 3s.

If the wheels came totally off, say they go 0-fer January... then I'd play Jackson/Grill a lot and just start getting them ready for next season. Because next year, it's Bolton and ?? as our starting guards.

 

[stateofmind]

Oh look, opinions nobody wants. Get back in the hole douchebag

He/She is not wrong though.

 

[CascadeClone]

What two times were they close to a Final Four? The Niang foot year where a UNC injury likely evened things out? When else? Don't you have to win more than one game?

Well, the 2013-14 Kane team was first in my mind.

But I also think the 2012-13 Babb/Clyburn team that lost at Ohio St and the 2014-15 team that flamed out against UAB were both teams that had the ability to make the Final 4. My point isn't that they were shoe-ins, but that they had the ability to get there. Maybe "high ceiling" is a better description of what I am saying.

It's tough looking at tournament results as a good barometer of how good a team is, because there's just a lot of luck that goes into it - opponent, injuries, refs, random events in-game. Baylor made the elite 8 without playing a single-digit seed (twice?). So I don't like looking at tournament results as the end-all-be-all, just what is possible.

Those three teams were all capable of deep runs, and competing for championships. I think all three of those teams were within a game or 2 of the Big12 title too.

(looked it up)
2012-13 Babb/Clyburn 11-7 3 games behind KU
2013-14 Kane 11-7 3 games behind KU
2014-15 UAB flameout 12-6 1 game behind KU

Hell, the Royce team in 2011-12 was 11-7 in conference.

 

[quasistellar]

What is your excuse for this team...?

Morris -- NBA
Mitrou-Long -- NBA
Hogue -- good overseas player
Niang -- NBA
McKay -- good overseas player
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Thomas -- NBA
Dejean-Jones -- NBA
Nader -- NBA

+ Custer, who never played, but did lead a team to the Final Four a few years later

...not winning the conference regular season and tapping out in the first round?

Was a pretty stacked team and they probably should have won the regular season title, but the Big 12 was tougher that year, and they had a few bad breaks in the late season vs Baylor and Kansas St.

I remember Baylor ripping off like 5 or 6 threes in a row and ISU going ice cold at the exact same time. I think the KSU game was the one where they had a missed FG go straight to their dude for a put-back dunk and then Niang missed a last second go ahead shot (I could be getting these mixed up but I remember both being absolute heart breakers because both losses were opportunities for ISU to tie or go ahead in the Big 12)

UAB was just. . . well weird. I don't really remember much about the game except being stunned. Dumb stuff can happen in single elimination tourneys :/

One thing I distinctly remember NOT happening was getting owned at home by garbage or sub-par teams.

 

[NoCreativity]

Wasnt there a narrative earlier this season, I want to say after the Seton Hall game in Hilton, that this ISU team was tough and that is how they were going to win games this season?

It seemed fairly prevalent on Twitter from ISU fans and reporters that cover ISU.

Tough? Or Seton Hall had a horrible shooting night? They actually shot alot better against Michigan State and Oregon than they did against Iowa State. You could attribute it to tenacious defense, but Iowa State is ranked 124th in ADJD which is actually the 2nd worst for the program in the last 12 years. Nobody can say with a straight face that Iowa State is a tough defensive team.

Prohm's teams have been charmin soft, especially in rebounding, they are constantly ranked in the bottom 3rd in all of college basketball. Thats not a sign of toughness, rebounding is alot about position and hustle.

 

[NoCreativity]

I can't believe people still cant come to terms that last year's team was absolutely stacked. Last year and the 14-15 Hoiberg teams were easily the most talented since the two Eustachy Big 12 champion teams.

Not only did it have 2 of the top 3 recruits in school history on the same team, but they had a guy who led the Big 12 in scoring, and also had a guy who almost averaged a double-double the previous year playing sparingly off the bench. Thats not even mentioning a lottery pick and Conditt who looks to have a promising career were on the team. They even had a guy who started the year before and had heavy Big 12 experience that couldnt get into a game.

9-9 and losing 6 out of the last 8 with that team was absolutely pathetic.

 

[CycloneErik]

Wasnt there a narrative earlier this season, I want to say after the Seton Hall game in Hilton, that this ISU team was tough and that is how they were going to win games this season?

It seemed fairly prevalent on Twitter from ISU fans and reporters that cover ISU.

I think it was that they would need to be tough, especially defensively, to get wins this year, not so much that they already were.

 

[jbindm]

I think it was that they would need to be tough, especially defensively, to get wins this year, not so much that they already were.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2019/12/stanz-this-is-the-new-iowa-state-basketball/

Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[VeloClone]

I was thoroughly impressed when one of their guys missed a dunk so hard it was rebounded by his teammate in front of the half court line. Truly astonishing whiff.

I remember one of our guys missing one like that ten or more years ago. Except he missed the dunk and the ball went straight up about 15 feet and then came back down and right through the basket. Craziest thing I have ever seen.

 

[CycloneErik]

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2019/12/stanz-this-is-the-new-iowa-state-basketball/

Hindsight is 20/20.

Well, then, never mind.

 

[VeloClone]

That's a long list of terrible coaches. Orr wasn't bad, but I think he was a bit overrated by a lot on here as well. Just wait and see what happens to Prohms record after he goes 11-20 this year.

If you think Maury John was a terrible coach you truly don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Cyched]

If you think Maury John was a terrible coach you truly don't know what you are talking about.

Maury John was well before my time, but I know who he is. If you took Drake to the Final Four, you're a good coach.

Wonder what things would look like for us if he hadn't developed cancer.