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I'm so glad we have a billionaire genius to save us! Think of all the things HE created to make the world better! PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter. I wonder what he'll think up next!

The only way Elon Musk has "changed the world" is with money and for money.

The skill he brings to the table is money, lot's of money. He's not a genius, he's clearly not some business savant, he's just a dude who started on third base and hit the jackpot on an investment.
 
The skill he brings to the table is money, lot's of money. He's not a genius, he's clearly not some business savant, he's just a dude who started on third base and hit the jackpot on an investment.
I'll give him some credit for being forward thinking in certain areas and pushing things that can help move humanity forward like electric cars and space travel with that money. But it's not like he's some self made billionaire genius that created all this stuff. People act like he built the first Tesla in his garage or something when really he just bought the company.
 
The skill he brings to the table is money, lot's of money. He's not a genius, he's clearly not some business savant, he's just a dude who started on third base and hit the jackpot on an investment.
I'm pretty neutral on Elon but there are 3 things he is great at.

Identifying an investment
Engaging fans and additional investors
Having lots of money
 
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I'll give him some credit for being forward thinking in certain areas and pushing things that can help move humanity forward like electric cars and space travel with that money. But it's not like he's some self made billionaire genius that created all this stuff. People act like he built the first Tesla in his garage or something when really he just bought the company.

This is true, a lot of people don't know this.

And regarding space travel, he was just following what another billionaire was doing in Bezos with Blue Origin. It wasn't an original idea.
 
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This is true, a lot of people don't know this.

And regarding space travel, he was just following what another billionaire was doing in Bezos with Blue Origin. It wasn't an original idea.
Pretty bad example when blue origin has put exactly 0 payloads into orbit and spacex put more than twice the mass than everyone else combined last year. You're right, launching rockets wasn't an original idea. Doing it better than everyone else is what is impressive.
 
Pretty bad example when blue origin has put exactly 0 payloads into orbit and spacex put more than twice the mass than everyone else combined last year. You're right, launching rockets wasn't an original idea. Doing it better than everyone else is what is impressive.
Hopefully a competitor comes along and competes with or improves upon what SpaceX does. That would be great for the space industry. Right now SpaceX is the king and it's not close. The Falcon 9 is arguably the most reliable rocket ever built. The Falcon 9 and the Falcon Heavy are also by far the cheapest launch vehicles in the world.
 
Hopefully a competitor comes along and competes with or improves upon what SpaceX does. That would be great for the space industry. Right now SpaceX is the king and it's not close. The Falcon 9 is arguably the most reliable rocket ever built. The Falcon 9 and the Falcon Heavy are also by far the cheapest launch vehicles in the world.
I agree 100% another competitor would be awesome for the industry. We know it won’t be the government…that’s for sure
 
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Absolutely Fantastic breakdown of the failures that occurred at Stage 0 by Scott Manly. I've followed him for a few years now, and this video popped into my YouTube feed yesterday. He points out some amazing observations from the launch ..... including one of the engines exploding after launch most likely due to debris from the platform, in addition to identifying some large concrete shrapnel getting flung into the ocean with huge splashes. Definitely worth a watch:



Honestly I'm pretty sad, as I think with a suitable launch platform the test had the potential to have been wildly successful!
 
I don't disagree with this, but he's also known for crazy, unrealistic deadlines. I dont work there and the only rockets I've ever launched were launched in a field with a plastic parachute...but is it possible that some of the rocket failures were because of rushed deadlines?

Being said, I love the movie the Right Stuff. There's like a 20 minute montage of real NASA rocket footage from when they were testing rockets, the message was the biggest gains come from failures. I think it's silly to fully blame Elon without the context of growth and learning from failure.
 
I don't disagree with this, but he's also known for crazy, unrealistic deadlines. I dont work there and the only rockets I've ever launched were launched in a field with a plastic parachute...but is it possible that some of the rocket failures were because of rushed deadlines?

Being said, I love the movie the Right Stuff. There's like a 20 minute montage of real NASA rocket footage from when they were testing rockets, the message was the biggest gains come from failures. I think it's silly to fully blame Elon without the context of growth and learning from failure.
No argument here. You can usually double or triple whatever deadline he says and it'll be pretty accurate.
 
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There are generally two paths for development - fail fast/fail forward, and analyze to success. For public companies (and certainly for NASA), the only option is analyze until you have a high expectation for success in public trials. For private companies, it's more acceptable from a PR standpoint to just blow **** up over and over as long as the funding is there.

SpaceX answers to Elon. As long as they have money, he's welcome to keep blowing up his rockets. Though he does still have to answer to some gov't authorities in the meantime.

Meanwhile, Blue Origin and NASA have to answer to Amazon and taxpayers so they can't just blow things up repeatedly.
 
Absolutely Fantastic breakdown of the failures that occurred at Stage 0 by Scott Manly. I've followed him for a few years now, and this video popped into my YouTube feed yesterday. He points out some amazing observations from the launch ..... including one of the engines exploding after launch most likely due to debris from the platform, in addition to identifying some large concrete shrapnel getting flung into the ocean with huge splashes. Definitely worth a watch:



Honestly I'm pretty sad, as I think with a suitable launch platform the test had the potential to have been wildly successful!

I have enjoyed many of his KSP tutorials!

I'd guess they probably figured the pad would get wrecked, but not that the debris would damage the vehicle (assuming that is what happened). Time for a stainless steel launchpad I suppose.
 
Absolutely Fantastic breakdown of the failures that occurred at Stage 0 by Scott Manly. I've followed him for a few years now, and this video popped into my YouTube feed yesterday. He points out some amazing observations from the launch ..... including one of the engines exploding after launch most likely due to debris from the platform, in addition to identifying some large concrete shrapnel getting flung into the ocean with huge splashes. Definitely worth a watch:



Honestly I'm pretty sad, as I think with a suitable launch platform the test had the potential to have been wildly successful!

Love Scott Manly. Fly safe!
 
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