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Istate

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tonight. He's also a cyclone fan, but he said somethings to me as we discussed the game and future. Obviously, he's had a bad run of things this year so he's a little jaded, but this stuff hurt me a little too:

1) Quit pointing to the Nebraska game. No one gets that lucky again. Eight turnovers and we barely won.

2) Going to bowl games doesn't mean crap. Minnesota goes to bowls because roughly half of the BCS teams go. It's not an accomplishment anymore to play in Memphis or New York city with a 6-6 record against some no-name team.

3) Texas Tech win showed nothing because Tech isn't good, and they dropped 10 passes along with the 3 turnovers

4) Look at next year...harder schedule to face with losing your best defensive player, your top three safeties, your best dlineman, your qb, rb, TE, and maybe 3 starting OL (I said I think the schedule is easier next yer)

5) Recruiting isn't going good when you're hoping three juco dlinemen are coming to save the day, and they have zero offers outside of ISU.

Ok, he's ******. Just like I'm ******. However, those comments hurt me. I'm not saying all (or maybe any) of what he said is true, but he convinced me enough to buy there's some truth in each of them...yuck.

How we need a huge upset next week to get emotions back to where they were after Tech.
 
Basically he ******* about everything, even beating Nebraska in Lincoln without our starting QB and RB. Sounds like he just likes to complain and be pessimistic.
 
Sounds like a pretty uneducated discussion. I'm losing faith in the intelligence of the average person everyday.
 
You have to go to bowl games. Going to bowl games gets you more practice, another game on TV, and overall just more time to develop people. You have to start somewhere and right now we need to go to bowls regardless. Lot of programs go to crappy bowls for several years before their breakout seasons.
 
cyatheart said:
You have to go to bowl games. Going to bowl games gets you more practice, another game on TV, and overall just more time to develop people. You have to start somewhere and right now we need to go to bowls regardless. Lot of programs go to crappy bowls for several years before their breakout seasons.
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I agree, but that extra practice sure hasnt helped this team.
 
kingcy said:
Well they have given up over 1600 yards in 2 weeks and allowed over 100 pts, while scoring 24. Could it be much worse than that?
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We also have two wins over probable bowl teams. Go through our schedules the past several years and tell me how many of our teams, even Mac's bowl teams, had more than that in the regular season? 2002 is the only one I can think of.

Even our bowl teams have suffered blowout losses. The team with the most wins in school history (2000) had losses by scores of 49-27, 30-7, and 56-10. The following year we went back to a bowl game despite a 48-14 loss to Nebraska (41-0 at halftime) and a 42-3 loss at home to a Kansas State team that finished 6-6 and was 3-4 when we played them. We went to a bowl again in 2002 despite losing 49-3 to Oklahoma and 58-7 to Kansas State.

I'm not saying we're going to a bowl game this year, and we certainly have a ways to go to get this program where Rhoads wants it to be, but let's have a little perspective, especially when we're facing the toughest schedule in the country.
 
CPR had virtually no real material to work with when he took over. It will take 3 to 4 years to see results if he succeeds. Anyone else thinks any different is a dolt.
 
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cyguytillidie said:
yeah we could have allowed that to two teams that weren't rated in the top 10.
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exactly. we got blown out by TAMU and Oklahoma state last year, teams that are clearly below what Utah\Oklahoma are now. Its to be expected that we would get beaten by more by better teams.

the only thing that differentiates our current situation, and path to bowl eligibility is the utah game for me. if we played someone of similar level in the nonconference, like Army last year, we come out of the noncon with 3 wins. We then beat a conference opponent we werent supposed to beat (texas tech this year, nebraska last year), 1 that's a tossup (cu last year and this year), and have one more 'should win' game (kansas this year, baylor last). By having utah, a game thats in the 'definitely lose' category, we now have to beat a team that is on the 'probably lose' category, like missouri.
 
alarson said:
exactly. we got blown out by TAMU and Oklahoma state last year, teams that are clearly below what Utah\Oklahoma are now. Its to be expected that we would get beaten by more by better teams.

the only thing that differentiates our current situation, and path to bowl eligibility is the utah game for me. if we played someone of similar level in the nonconference, like Army last year, we come out of the noncon with 3 wins. We then beat a conference opponent we werent supposed to beat (texas tech this year, nebraska last year), 1 that's a tossup (cu last year and this year), and have one more 'should win' game (kansas this year, baylor last). By having utah, a game thats in the 'definitely lose' category, we now have to beat a team that is on the 'probably lose' category, like missouri.
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Missouri might be the only team in the probably lose column right now.:arghh:
 
i agree. nebraska and texas are definitely lose, missouri is probably lose, cu is a tossup, leaning towards loss (id feel better about it if it were here) and MU is probably lose.
 
cyfan15 said:
We also have two wins over probable bowl teams. Go through our schedules the past several years and tell me how many of our teams, even Mac's bowl teams, had more than that in the regular season? 2002 is the only one I can think of.
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Going to a bowl or beating a bowl team cannot be compared to different time-frames since every team in America now goes to a bowl.

Going to a bowl now means nothing. Beating a bowl team now means nothing. Winning a bowl means very little and next to nothing.

The NCAA has cheapened their product or at least cheapened the bowl accomplishment by allowing so many teams to go to a bowl.

We did not deserve to go to a bowl last year and Minnesota sure as hell didn't.

This years team is not a bowl team. We've beaten 3 bad teams and could beat 3 more bad teams.

That should not get you into a bowl.
 
RossHallHero said:
Going to a bowl or beating a bowl team cannot be compared to different time-frames since every team in America now goes to a bowl.

Going to a bowl now means nothing. Beating a bowl team now means nothing. Winning a bowl means very little and next to nothing.

The NCAA has cheapened their product or at least cheapened the bowl accomplishment by allowing so many teams to go to a bowl.

We did not deserve to go to a bowl last year and Minnesota sure as hell didn't.

This years team is not a bowl team. We've beaten 3 bad teams and could beat 3 more bad teams.

That should not get you into a bowl.
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So basically the only team that should go to a bowl are the top tqo in college?? Who gives a rat's *** who goes to a bowl game?? If a bowl game can help, IN ANY WAY, I'm damn glad and thankful we have the opportunity to participate. The alternative?.. we have an above average season, get to stay home, which is the same result as an average season. Why the hell do people care if lots of teams go to a bowl game?? It's not like they let ISU play in a BCS bowl game and left out TCU last years.
 
Istate said:
tonight. He's also a cyclone fan, but he said somethings to me as we discussed the game and future. Obviously, he's had a bad run of things this year so he's a little jaded, but this stuff hurt me a little too:

1) Quit pointing to the Nebraska game. No one gets that lucky again. Eight turnovers and we barely won.

2) Going to bowl games doesn't mean crap. Minnesota goes to bowls because roughly half of the BCS teams go. It's not an accomplishment anymore to play in Memphis or New York city with a 6-6 record against some no-name team.

3) Texas Tech win showed nothing because Tech isn't good, and they dropped 10 passes along with the 3 turnovers

4) Look at next year...harder schedule to face with losing your best defensive player, your top three safeties, your best dlineman, your qb, rb, TE, and maybe 3 starting OL (I said I think the schedule is easier next yer)

5) Recruiting isn't going good when you're hoping three juco dlinemen are coming to save the day, and they have zero offers outside of ISU.

Ok, he's ******. Just like I'm ******. However, those comments hurt me. I'm not saying all (or maybe any) of what he said is true, but he convinced me enough to buy there's some truth in each of them...yuck.

How we need a huge upset next week to get emotions back to where they were after Tech.
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In the infancy of a program an extra game and the extra practice time are huge. People who cry about the prestige of the bowl or quality of the opponent in the first three years simply don't understand the value of the bowl.
 
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