Seemingly never ending Iowa MBB thread (still going.....)

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Nothing says earn like the musical chairs Fred was forced to play. We had no choice but to play them and hope some of the best players in Cyclone history could pull them along until they developed. Btw, you are clearly forgetting Naz's freshman year.

They played before they were ready, but thankfully had guys like Georges, Kane, Ejim, and even Hogue to rely on. Had they been ready that's not a team a few shots away from 9-9 in conference. They had modest numbers and roles due to being with great players is a reasonable defense in the comparison, but at the same time it's incredibly insecure to deny they had the benefit of getting to be the side-kicks to great players. Iowa's freshman pg would have played and the others right there with a freshman Thomas or freshman Naz. The EIU bigs undoubtedly win this argument as they're better than the void of freshmen bigs we've had since Georges.

Iowa's freshman pg would have played and the others right there with a freshman Thomas or freshman Naz.

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It's easy for the Hawkeye fans and media to point out how young they are but that completely masks the fact that they shouldn't be this young and that's on Fran. It's also worth noting that just because a team is playing a bunch of freshman and sophomores doesn't mean they will be a better team in the long run because of it. I don't care how young or experienced your team is, you still need talent and outside of Cook and Pemsl they don't have it. Last night was just a sample of how much Iowa is going to struggle when they don't have Jok to create space or hit the tough shot when they need it.
 
I know it's been harped on a lot, both here and on Hawkeye boards, but can anyone think of a reasonable explanation for Fran's rotations? It's not like this is the first year where his bench has been longer than it needed to be. He basically does it every year. I don't understand it, and I don't know if he's ever been really grilled about it, because it's bizarre.

I honestly think part of the reason he goes so deep into the bench is to keep the 9,10, 11, and 12 guys interested in being in his program. What Fran fails to understand is that players transferring out of the program can be a good thing and can help balance out the scholarships or at worst it free's up a scholly to throw at a JUCO or a transfer. Iowa has eleven players on their roster that are RS Freshman, Freshman, or Sophomores. ELEVEN! Three of those guys have had a redshirt year. I'm sorry but in big boy college hoops your red shirts should be pretty minimal if you are recruiting the right talent... Hate to say it but Iowa could be sliding back to a Lickliter like era of hoops.
 
It's easy for the Hawkeye fans and media to point out how young they are but that completely masks the fact that they shouldn't be this young and that's on Fran. It's also worth noting that just because a team is playing a bunch of freshman and sophomores doesn't mean they will be a better team in the long run because of it. I don't care how young or experienced your team is, you still need talent and outside of Cook and Pemsl they don't have it. Last night was just a sample of how much Iowa is going to struggle when they don't have Jok to create space or hit the tough shot when they need it.

They aren't that young. Jok Sr. Ellingson Rs So. Uhl Jr., Baer Rs. So. So that is 4 players who have at least 3 years at Iowa plus Williams, Wagner and Moss in their second year Fran's problem is that they are depending on a few freshman to make them good because most of their older players are recruits that didn't pan out. Their class they are bringing in doesn't have immediate help. Also, Fran continues to think he is actually 12 people deep when they should be playing about 7 guys. Still can't believe ISU lost to this team.
 
They aren't that young. Jok Sr. Ellingson Rs So. Uhl Jr., Baer Rs. So. So that is 4 players who have at least 3 years at Iowa plus Williams, Wagner and Moss in their second year Fran's problem is that they are depending on a few freshman to make them good because most of their older players are recruits that didn't pan out. Their class they are bringing in doesn't have immediate help. Also, Fran continues to think he is actually 12 people deep when they should be playing about 7 guys. Still can't believe ISU lost to this team.

You take Jok out of the equation and that is the exact definition of a young team. If Fran can't put together a really solid class next year he is in big trouble when you look at how many scholly's he's going to have to fill in 2 years.
 
Nothing says earn like the musical chairs Fred was forced to play. We had no choice but to play them and hope some of the best players in Cyclone history could pull them along until they developed. Btw, you are clearly forgetting Naz's freshman year.

They played before they were ready, but thankfully had guys like Georges, Kane, Ejim, and even Hogue to rely on. Had they been ready that's not a team a few shots away from 9-9 in conference. They had modest numbers and roles due to being with great players is a reasonable defense in the comparison, but at the same time it's incredibly insecure to deny they had the benefit of getting to be the side-kicks to great players. Iowa's freshman pg would have played and the others right there with a freshman Thomas or freshman Naz. The EIU bigs undoubtedly win this argument as they're better than the void of freshmen bigs we've had since Georges.

Bohannon, Cook, Pemsl and a few of their other young guys next to Kane, Georges, Ejim, and Hogue under Hoiberg is team CF is going nuts over.

Ejim was forced to play as a undersized freshman on a poor team and competed at a B12 starter level. Georges had more talent around him but he earned a staring postion evolved into the only post presence on a top 25 team as a Frosh. both flashed more and impacted those team than Cook and Pesml. Bohannan is playing similar minutes to Monte as the primary PG and not having the same positive impact as Monte did. He isn't the focus on the defense which is Jok and maybe Cook. I'll give Cook some leeway this year due to his injury setting him back but the other frosh, if B10 level, I would have expected to be acclimated more at this point of the season and not splitting 50/50 time with other replacement level upper classmen.

Not sure if Fran's 12 man rotation is due to have 12 similar talent at all positions or he's trying the freshman hoping they grow into B10 starting level and not getting results leading to him trying less talented rotation players just hoping he unearthed a 3 star diamond in the rough? I suppose he has had luck finding unearthing White and Baer that way.
 
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Ejim was forced to play as a undersized freshman on a poor team and competed at a B12 starter level. Georges had more talent around him but he earned a staring postion evolved into the only post presence on a top 25 team as a Frosh. both flashed more and impacted those team than Cook and Pesml. Bohannan is playing similar minutes to Monte as the primary PG and not having the same positive impact as Monte did. He isn't the focus on the defense which is Jok and maybe Cook. I'll give Cook some leeway this year due to his injury setting him back but the other frosh, if B10 level, I would have expected to be acclimated more at this point of the season and not splitting 50/50 time with other replacement level upper classmen.

Not sure if Fran's 12 man rotation is due to have 12 similar talent at all positions or he's trying the freshman and not getting results leading to him trying less talented rotation players?

Monte and Kane combined to play 62.5 mpg that year. He's an idiot if he thinks Bohannon would have played here on a Sweet 16 team. I wouldn't be surprised if Fran gives him the sit down and boots him after this year
 
Ejim was forced to play as a undersized freshman on a poor team and competed at a B12 starter level. Georges had more talent around him but he earned a staring postion evolved into the only post presence on a top 25 team as a Frosh. both flashed more and impacted those team than Cook and Pesml. Bohannan is playing similar minutes to Monte as the primary PG and not having the same positive impact as Monte did. He isn't the focus on the defense which is Jok and maybe Cook. I'll give Cook some leeway this year due to his injury setting him back but the other frosh, if B10 level, I would have expected to be acclimated more at this point of the season and not splitting 50/50 time with other replacement level upper classmen.

Not sure if Fran's 12 man rotation is due to have 12 similar talent at all positions or he's trying the freshman and not getting results leading to him trying less talented rotation players?

Fran has never had an identity regarding his rotations. There were times last year when he literally forgot that Uhtoff was on the bench. That's a problem. It also boils down to poor recruiting. When you are subbing in a role player for another role player you have no identity.
 
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In Memoriam: deanvogs, various sections, some froggers, clairvoyant dan
 
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Monte and Kane combined to play 62.5 mpg that year. He's an idiot if he thinks Bohannon would have played here on a Sweet 16 team. I wouldn't be surprised if Fran gives him the sit down and boots him after this year
Nah, Fran views JorBo as his 4 year PG. He did the same thing with Mike Gessell and we all know how that worked out... If you aren't recruiting guys to push the players already in your system you have an Iowa like PG situation on your hands.
 
Nah, Fran views JorBo as his 4 year PG. He did the same thing with Mike Gessell and we all know how that worked out... If you aren't recruiting guys to push the players already in your system you have an Iowa like PG situation on your hands.

Gessell was just so bad, he couldnt shoot, his only strength was dribbling out on the perimeter. I remember hundreds of instances of him driving into the lane getting stuffed or losing the ball. Then there were the infamous "Give the ball to Gessell with the game on the line, watch him drive in with 2 seconds left and get stuffed by the bottom of the backboard" plays.
 
Monte and Kane combined to play 62.5 mpg that year. He's an idiot if he thinks Bohannon would have played here on a Sweet 16 team. I wouldn't be surprised if Fran gives him the sit down and boots him after this year
I don't think Bohannon is as bad as you do but even if he is, that won't happen. Brady Ellingson was never shown the door so Bohannon is safe.
 
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I don't think Bohannon is as bad as you do but even if he is, that won't happen. Brady Ellingson was never shown the door so Bohannon is safe.

I will admit I haven't seen him play much this year but when I have it's been bad. He's really slow and his numbers are terrible. Fran needs to push a few people out for sure
 
I will admit I haven't seen him play much this year but when I have it's been bad. He's really slow and his numbers are terrible. Fran needs to push a few people out for sure
He's got a good handle, makes some nice passes, and has a good looking shot but he definitely lacks size and athleticism. Not a player who should be expected to do much as a freshman especially when there's only one legit scoring option on the floor. JorBo could be a solid possibly even pretty good game manager at some point in his career but it likely won't happen because there won't be much of a team around him.
 
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