Scott Christopherson

[CylentButDeadly]

Could I get some video of some of Jake's ability to
get his own shot? I remember him backing up until
guys stopped guarding him then shooting from the
timeline. I must of blocked out all the times he used
dribble penetration to break down the defense.

Clearly you missed quite a bit of his game then. He was constantly moving, coming off screens, back cutting, angle cutting, flexing out wide. If you think he just hung out 22-25 feet away from the basket and waited to get an open look, then you're sorely mistaken and misinformed.

Furthermore, Jake wasn't an excellent creator and didn't have the skills to break guys down and finish at the rack, but he was an outstanding mid range shooter, and he used pump fakes, hesitation dribbles, step backs and quick pull ups to create open looks inside the 3pt line.

Once again, if you're going to average 14-17 points in the B12, you have to have a little more to your game than just a nice shot. He attempted 130 FTs his SO year and 118 his junior year. That tells me that he was creating looks and getting into the lane. Compare those free throw numbers with Lucca Staiger, who only attempted 23 free throws his entire career, and I think you can see just how silly it is to say that Sullivan was a set shooter and couldn't create his own looks.

...By all means though, continue to believe what you will.

 

[RandomFan]

Could I get some video of some of Jake's ability to
get his own shot? I remember him backing up until
guys stopped guarding him then shooting from the
timeline. I must of blocked out all the times he used
dribble penetration to break down the defense.

Jake became very good at getting in the paint and either hitting a floater or getting fouled.

 

[cayin]

Jake averaged the following:

Points:
-FR 11.4 pts
-SO 16 pts
-JR 17 pts
-SR 14.6

He played with Tinsley for the first two years and was the benefactor of a lot of great looks from Tinsley penetrating and dishing. But his junior year, he put up more points, without the help of Tinsley (Barnes was a poor man's Tinsley at best) and Sullivan still shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3pt.

His senior year, with Stinson and Blalock around, he did become more of a set shooter, but that was because of the style of play and the fact that those two had a considerable amount of possession of the ball.

The point I'm trying to make here, is that if you're just a "set shooter", like you say Sullivan was, it's going to be tough to average 14-17 points, especially in a conference that's full of great athletes that were much quicker, longer and stronger than Sullivan, and would be able to shut a "set shooter" down.

Sullivan was a great scorer. He wasn't just a set shooter. He played well without the ball (a la Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen) and he was an excellent mid-range shooter that could use a pump fake or step back fade away to get looks inside the 3pt line.

Sullivan, FH and SC are all very different players.

He only played with Tinsley for one year. Also guys, FH played the 3 his freshman and soph. years and then played the two in his junior and senior years. Derrick Hayes played the 3 his junior year.

 

[Cyforce]

Clearly you missed quite a bit of his game then. He was constantly moving, coming off screens, back cutting, angle cutting, flexing out wide. If you think he just hung out 22-25 feet away from the basket and waited to get an open look, then you're sorely mistaken and misinformed.

Furthermore, Jake wasn't an excellent creator and didn't have the skills to break guys down and finish at the rack, but he was an outstanding mid range shooter, and he used pump fakes, hesitation dribbles, step backs and quick pull ups to create open looks inside the 3pt line.

Once again, if you're going to average 14-17 points in the B12, you have to have a little more to your game than just a nice shot. He attempted 130 FTs his SO year and 118 his junior year. That tells me that he was creating looks and getting into the lane. Compare those free throw numbers with Lucca Staiger, who only attempted 23 free throws his entire career, and I think you can see just how silly it is to say that Sullivan was a set shooter and couldn't create his own looks.

...By all means though, continue to believe what you will.

actually I was at center court in the 2nd row of the upperdeck for every game
the entire season. Coming off of screens constitutes somebody else working to
get him a shot. After he got the ball is how you sum up a player's ability to get his own shot and Jake severely lack the quickness to be an effective BXII guard.

 

[jhill]

actually I was at center court in the 2nd row of the upperdeck for every game
the entire season. Coming off of screens constitutes somebody else working to
get him a shot. After he got the ball is how you sum up a player's ability to get his own shot and Jake severely lack the quickness to be an effective BXII guard.

If Jake Sullivan was not an effective Big 12 guard, I don't think I have ever seen one at Iowa State. If Christopherson were to put up numbers as good as Sullivan, I would be absolutely thrilled.

 

[jahfg]

actually I was at center court in the 2nd row of the upperdeck for every game
the entire season. Coming off of screens constitutes somebody else working to
get him a shot. After he got the ball is how you sum up a player's ability to get his own shot and Jake severely lack the quickness to be an effective BXII guard.

Yeah, averaging double figures for four years isn't effective at all.

 

[CylentButDeadly]

He only played with Tinsley for one year. Also guys, FH played the 3 his freshman and soph. years and then played the two in his junior and senior years. Derrick Hayes played the 3 his junior year.

Good catch.

actually I was at center court in the 2nd row of the upperdeck for every game
the entire season. Coming off of screens constitutes somebody else working to
get him a shot. After he got the ball is how you sum up a player's ability to get his own shot and Jake severely lack the quickness to be an effective BXII guard.

And after Jake got the ball, he was a brilliant 3pt shooter and he was very good at getting into the lane and either getting off a leaner, a floater, or getting to the line, where he was one of the best free throw shooters in the country and in ISU history (Remember my little free throw disparity I pointed out earlier).

Jake had no problem getting off his own shot, and being quick is only one component to being an effective scorer, it's not the end all be all. Jake used basketball smarts, great form and outstanding balance to create his shots. Just because he wasn't an amazing athlete doesn't mean he wasn't a very good scorer and a creative player with the ball.

Also, if you don't think that Jake was an effective B12 guard, then you were too busy snacking on a Clone Cone or sneaking peaks at the cheerleaders, because you obviously weren't watching the action the court.

 

[cayin]

Yes indeed, I do remember Jake scoring in a lot of ways. One thing I remember though that hurt, he had the worst luck hitting 3s on the road his last year. So many in and outs. A couple of those every time out in conference could have been the difference between going to the tournament or not going. The won 17 games. I'm not saying it is his fault at all, I'm just saying it was bad luck they didn't fall. Homan turning an ankle hurt too. Most teams did not have to deal with Homan and Vroman on the floor at the same time.

 

[EddieISU]

Could Scott be a Fred Hoiberg typle of player? I know he probably wont be as good, but i was just sitting here thinking about it. Scott can shoot(Like Fred could) and he seems to drive and dish pretty well from what i've seen in the Cap City league. Scott also has some height(I think he is 6'3) and i think he will run well in the up-tempo system. I also hear that Coach Hoiberg is in love with Scotty's game. I'm just wondering if Hoiberg is going to mold Scott into something speical. I think Fred may see a little bit of himself in Scott when he was younger. Maybe i'm crazy, but that would be amazing. :smile:

I like Scott, but he's not even close to the player Hoiberg was. Freddie was special and did things most white boys 6' 4" can't.......ask Acie Earl.

 

[johnsonjj]

I like Scott, but he's not even close to the player Hoiberg was. Freddie was special and did things most white boys 6' 4" can't.......ask Acie Earl.

THAT was a great dunk!

 

[heitclone]

No offense to SC but this convo is absurd. Its really unfair to compare him against Hoiberg, or even Jake. SC hasn't had enough time here to prove he is even a fraction of the player these guys are, but lets hope he has a healthy year so he can prove himself.

 

[buckleyfan]

No offense to SC but this convo is absurd. Its really unfair to compare him against Hoiberg, or even Jake. SC hasn't had enough time here to prove he is even a fraction of the player these guys are, but lets hope he has a healthy year so he can prove himself.

i think this thread was more of a comparison of skill sets and style, not so much on actual success and results. jake and hoiberg were both very good at what they did with different style of play.

 

[Clones21]

i think this thread was more of a comparison of skill sets and style, not so much on actual success and results. jake and hoiberg were both very good at what they did with different style of play.

This.

 

[brokenloginagain]

I don't think we really know what kind of player SC is/can be.

He was injured pretty much his entire freshman year, and this past year he played with mono as a big12 rookie. I'm pretty excited about what he can do if he's 1) healthy, 2) has now had a b12 season under his belt, and 3) has some decent guards to help him out.