I think there's a difference between saying someone is not as much of an all-around player and saying they're a one trick pony.
Scott Christopherson
- Thread starter Clones21
- Start date
I think there's a difference between saying someone is not as much of an all-around player and saying they're a one trick pony.
my bad i didn't mean to criticize what you were saying just trying to get my 2cents in. i should have quoted a different previous poster. there were multiple previous posts that acted like sc was just a set shooter (jake sullivan mold). sc has much more all around game than just a nice shot.
I hate to go to the dark side for comparisons but a Hawk I enjoyed
watching that SC reminds me of is Doug Moe.
The thread is going downhill for sure.
I think SC is a good player and will be a solid contributor next year. He will also benefit from FH as a tutor and could have a similar game. However, he won't be the offensive threat that FH was.
It will help with fred giving him a green light to shoot. McD gavehim the red light and you just can't so that to a shooter like SC is.
I could see Scotty becoming a "rhythm" shooter and hit 3 shots in a row in a stretch of the game. I agree against the McD red light, but I don't wanna see him jacking up 3's the entire game either. It's not a recipe for success.
Something about this post rubbed me(nothing personal buckleyfan). Jake Sullivan was not JUST a set shooter. He could get his own shot, and did pretty well in doing so. The definition of "set shooter" is a kid like Kent McCausiland (sorry if I misspelled )
That said, I believe a comparison of Jake and SC is far more believeable than one of FH and SC.
i guess it was too long ago for me to remember. i do remember jake being amazing with jamaal and kantrail setting him up, but struggling many times to score after they graduated.
if jake is the not the definition of set shooter i do not know what is. i guess i should have compared sc to lucca...
and don't get me wrong, i like jake and he was good at what he did (free throws and 3pters). but he was not nearly the creator that sc is. not as good at passing off the drive, not as many tricks in his bag at finishing the drive either.
Fred and SC are two very different types of players. While Fred played the 2 guard a lot in the pros, he came into ISU playing the 3. We remember him for his shooting, but the strength of his offensive game was his ability to cut with or without the ball and get to the rim in traffic. He took a lot of punishment. SC can hit from outside and he can drive, but he looks get either the open layup of the floater jumper. He is not looking to draw contact like Fred did. Because of his size, jumping ability and strength, Fred was also a very good rebounder. I like Scott, and look forward to what he can bring us this year if he is healthy for a full season.
Jake averaged the following:
Points:
-FR 11.4 pts
-SO 16 pts
-JR 17 pts
-SR 14.6
He played with Tinsley for the first two years and was the benefactor of a lot of great looks from Tinsley penetrating and dishing. But his junior year, he put up more points, without the help of Tinsley (Barnes was a poor man's Tinsley at best) and Sullivan still shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3pt.
His senior year, with Stinson and Blalock around, he did become more of a set shooter, but that was because of the style of play and the fact that those two had a considerable amount of possession of the ball.
The point I'm trying to make here, is that if you're just a "set shooter", like you say Sullivan was, it's going to be tough to average 14-17 points, especially in a conference that's full of great athletes that were much quicker, longer and stronger than Sullivan, and would be able to shut a "set shooter" down.
Sullivan was a great scorer. He wasn't just a set shooter. He played well without the ball (a la Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen) and he was an excellent mid-range shooter that could use a pump fake or step back fade away to get looks inside the 3pt line.
Sullivan, FH and SC are all very different players.
Could I get some video of some of Jake's ability to
get his own shot? I remember him backing up until
guys stopped guarding him then shooting from the
timeline. I must of blocked out all the times he used
dribble penetration to break down the defense.
get his own shot? I remember him backing up until
guys stopped guarding him then shooting from the
timeline. I must of blocked out all the times he used
dribble penetration to break down the defense.