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jbhtexas said:
Yes. But, say, if one solution is an order of magnitude cheaper than the other and can be implemented quickly, it may be economically feasible.
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Seems the only one that needs real protection is Hilton, and I suppose the rest of the Iowa State Center.

Sorry for the lots, the soccer complex.

It appears that Lied and RCA are on the very fringes of the flooding, and neither today nor in '93 it reached Beach. So one would think small levies at that level should suffice for that area

Otherwise your plan might be feasible for Hilton, but what about the rest of the complex?

Does water get into Hilton from any place other than the east loading ramp? Are there many other internal doors at ground level? Never been in the bowels.
 
clone52 said:
Where would you pump the water? If you just pump it back outside, it raises the water out there, wouldn't it just increase the inflow? Wouldn't this only work if you could pump it somewhere it wouldn't normally go?
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The water pumped out is infinitesmal relative to the water outside, and will not noticealby increase the water level outside.
 
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DaddyMac said:
Seems the only one that needs real protection is Hilton, and I suppose the rest of the Iowa State Center.

Sorry for the lots, the soccer complex.

It appears that Lied and RCA are on the very fringes of the flooding, and neither today nor in '93 it reached Beach. So one would think small levies at that level should suffice for that area

Otherwise your plan might be feasible for Hilton, but what about the rest of the complex?

Does water get into Hilton from any place other than the east loading ramp? Are there many other internal doors at ground level? Never been in the bowels.
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The black things in this picture (behind the stop sign) are doors and I believe they're in all 4 corners of the building (under the restrooms). There's also the lower west entrance at ground level under the elevated walkway.

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aeroclone08 said:
The black things in this picture (behind the stop sign) are doors and I believe they're in all 4 corners of the building (under the restrooms). There's also the lower west entrance at ground level under the elevated walkway.

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Uggh.
 
Dryburn said:
Well, 1976 was just the first one I guess since the Center buildings were there. It was not nearly as bad as this one, or the one in 1993. There was water all around Hilton, but it never made it down the east ramp......the flooding inside Hilton was just from the sewers backing up.

Surprised it is not on the list though, because Squaw Creek and the Skunk were both out of their banks.
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Are you sure it wasn't '75? That year is #5 on the Squaw Creek list and #1 on the list for the Skunk @ Hwy 30.
 
So everything up to the first 2 rows of seats in the parquet, toast. And you can definitely see the floor floating in those pics... wish there were larger versions of those..
 
DaddyMac said:
Seems the only real thing to do is to levy all the way up university to near the power plant ...... somehow. From the aerials, looks like University Dr south by the stadium is good/high enough. Just too low up there by Brookside park and Lincoln way. And would need a series of gates along the way.
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Technically, I think University Blvd. IS considered the levee.
 
LutherClone said:
This may have already been discussed, but where is vollyeball going to play in the meantime? The Armory? Ames High? Wells Fargo? Thats going to kill attendance.
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I doubt the Armory, it isn't configured for sports anymore. WF is WAY too big for VB. We're not getting 15,000 people for a VB game, except possibly v. Nebraska. Ames High seems logical because it's close but it is also very small. So yes, it could kill attendance, but I bet (having never been there before) that the Ames High gym could seat at least 2,000 or so. Most big HS gyms could seat at least that much.

The whole thing is just a bad situation. How long will it take to clean up Ames, especially the Iowa State Center? People who were around for the '93 floods (I was 4, and now am a senior @ ISU to put that in perspective), when was Hilton ready and what had to be replaced/how much did it cost?
 
slincoln said:
Technically, I think University Blvd. IS considered the levee.
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im sure it is but thats pretty pointless for the most part since the skunk river fills up the east side of university and then college creek went out of its banks today and was part of the reason the rec center and MWL was flooded today.

theres a lot of changes that need to be made once the water recedes...similar to how DSM built better levees after 08
 
DSM4Cy said:
I doubt the Armory, it isn't configured for sports anymore. WF is WAY too big for VB. We're not getting 15,000 people for a VB game, except possibly v. Nebraska. Ames High seems logical because it's close but it is also very small. So yes, it could kill attendance, but I bet (having never been there before) that the Ames High gym could seat at least 2,000 or so. Most big HS gyms could seat at least that much.

The whole thing is just a bad situation. How long will it take to clean up Ames, especially the Iowa State Center? People who were around for the '93 floods (I was 4, and now am a senior @ ISU to put that in perspective), when was Hilton ready and what had to be replaced/how much did it cost?
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I have no idea on the cost or time frame. Big difference between then and now was that it happened a full month earlier in '93, and it wasn't really used until BB in October - whereas now volleyball is in there near full-time.

Not that they would take their time in the clean-up, but there certainly is more urgency this time around.

But I don't recall any concern of having it "ready" for anything athletic at ISU.
 
Chitowncy said:
Imposing our will upon our natural surroundings is not the way to go. I don't think a dam is as good of a long-term solution as increasing wetlands and decreasing the amount of pavment / non-pourous surfaces.

We need to rethink development with nature in mind: green roofs which retain and store moisture (and decrease heating /cooling costs), pourous pavement which allows water to seap-in (like it used to) and enter the groundwater supply, and, for the love of God, smaller parking lots. Problem is, we're set in our ways and there's too many comfortable people and those who don't know there is a better way.

Dams fail too and when they do it is 50 times worse then stuff like this. Delhi, IA dam anyone? Imagine the benefits a widened buffer zone would have for wildlife!
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Please don't try to compare the Delhi amatuer dam against Saylorville type dam. You sound silly doing so. The dam at Ames was NEVER GOING TO BE BUILT LIKE THE DELHI DAM.

When you drive South on I35 from the Story City on ramp, notice the huge overlook parking(now used by truckers to park and sleep), just beyond the rest area, which was built in anticipation of the dam to be built, so people could stop and look out over the water.
 
majorcyfan said:
Please don't try to compare the Delhi amatuer dam against Saylorville type dam. You sound silly doing so. The dam at Ames was NEVER GOING TO BE BUILT LIKE THE DELHI DAM.

When you drive South on I35 from the Story City on ramp, notice the huge overlook parking(now used by truckers to park and sleep), just beyond the rest area, which was built in anticipation of the dam to be built, so people could stop and look out over the water.
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That couldve been kinda cool..
 
C.John said:
I`ve seen this movie before.
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I wonder how much the increased frequency of floods in Iowa is due to the increase in tiling the farmers are doing in their fields. Now farmers are putting tile lines between the tile lines in their fields. I would guess that the soil would hold more moisture until the increase in tiling has resulted in more rapid drainage of the cropland and consider the millions of acres that are being drained into our streams and rivers. I realize that a substantial amount of rain is still needed in a fairly short period of time. If not for all the tiling that has been done in the last 20-30 years, why would we be having so many 100 year floods in the last 20 years. :wideeyed:
 
DrClone said:
I wonder how much the increased frequency of floods in Iowa is due to the increase in tiling the farmers are doing in their fields. Now farmers are putting tile lines between the tile lines in their fields. I would guess that the soil would hold more moisture until the increase in tiling has resulted in more rapid drainage of the cropland and consider the millions of acres that are being drained into our streams and rivers. I realize that a substantial amount of rain is still needed in a fairly short period of time. If not for all the tiling that has been done in the last 20-30 years, why would we be having so many 100 year floods in the last 20 years. :wideeyed:
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How about city people covering good farming soil with concrete and asphalt in the last 20-30 years. :wideeyed:
 
isuaggie said:
How about city people covering good farming soil with concrete and asphalt in the last 20-30 years. :wideeyed:
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May be a factor but with the millions of acres of farmland tiled I would think that would be a much larger factor. :wideeyed:
 
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