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Robert Jones commits to ISU

NiceMarmot said:
There's 13 scholarship players. About 8 to 9 will contribute in games, possibly even just 7 once you get into meat of conference schedule. It's likely he won't be a game-changer on the court (most players aren't!), but that's not always needed or even preferred. Anyone who's looking for a bunch of transfers to be DeAndre Kane-type quick fixes for an 0-18 team are in la-la-land. The hope with Jones are probably some combination:
  • Character kid with length who can be a good practice player, has potential to improve, and understands his role
  • Helps build relationships/footing with his AAU program for future recruits
  • Potentially help get another transfer or future transfers due to friendships/connections
This idea that because TJ and staff said they will recruit the Midwest doesn't mean we'll just have the pick of the litter of Midwest prospects like some on here think. The staff has to start building and growing relationships in the area. This move can help with that.

Also, not saying this kid is Freddie Gillespie, but Gillespie averaged 10 PPG/8 RPG in his sophomore year at a D3 school before transferring to Baylor and averaging 10 PPG/9 RPG/2 BPG as the starting center in 28 mins/gm last season on a top 5 team. Solely projecting a player's potential based on his stats at a previous school is short-sighted.
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Based on some of the reactions in this thread it’s clear some people are playing checkers while the coaching staff is playing chess. There’s a bigger picture with what the staff sees and what they are trying to build long-term. Judging what A player averages on another team is a poor way of determining whether they’re going to be successful elsewhere....they could’ve been underutilized, it could’ve been a system that didn’t play to his strengths etc. etc. There’s a ton of ways to contribute to a team and T J. has a track record of evaluating talent and utilizing it to its full potential. Have some faith....and dare I say trust the process?

Also do people really not think the coaching staff is not evaluating all options? I promise you they have a solid pulse on what’s out there and what they want.
 
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cyclonehomer said:
I find it hard to believe that given the amount of guys in the portal, there aren't a few that would prioritize playing in a premier conference and having a huge role if they can earn it. I really think the record the past two years is extremely overblown when you're talking recruiting guys who may be looking to jump up a level or two and get chances on ESPN/whatever. I would bet guys are more likely to think they'll change that and help turn the team into a winner than worried about what happened before they came.
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We weren’t the only P5 team who was interested in this guy.. Minnesota and Virginia Tech were involved. We should stop acting like we begged this guy to come play for us and his other choice was UMKC or something.
 
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CloniesForLife said:
Tall and good rebounder. Could fill a role. Definitely not the flashiest pickup but may be a solid player and at worst is a big body. Next couple pickups will hopefully be a little higher caliber
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If he gives us better D-rebounding and a post D presence along w/the other intangibles noted earlier in this thread, I can live with this move.

The money moves are for the last two schollies: need a long, scoring wing who can defend and a crunch time bucket getter.
 
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PizzaTheHutt said:
Based on some of the reactions in this thread it’s clear some people are playing checkers while the coaching staff is playing chess. There’s a bigger picture with what the staff sees and what they are trying to build long-term. Judging what A player averages on another team is a poor way of determining whether they’re going to be successful elsewhere....they could’ve been underutilized, it could’ve been a system that didn’t play to his strengths etc. etc. There’s a ton of ways to contribute to a team and T J. has a track record of evaluating talent and utilizing it to its full potential. Have some faith....and dare I say trust the process?
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I think people are severely underestimating the jump from role player on a really bad Summit League team to contributing at all in the B12. And yes, I do think that Iowa State should be looking for guys that can contribute spots 1-13. You don't or shouldn't recruit backups at this level, even though some guys will end up in that role. You recruit the best players you can that fit and find out how it shakes out in practice. Because you will miss on guys you think are starters and need every bit of talent that you can get.
 
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isufbcurt said:
I don't have the time to quote every post you've made since the coaching search started but you are free to look back at them.
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CyLyte2 said:
I checked. You were wrong.
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CyLyte2, you've made some weird posts recently. If you ask people to go back they will so I'd drop it. Also arguing, repeatedly with various posters is not an endearing quality.
 
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Statefan10 said:
We weren’t the only P5 team who was interested in this guy.. Minnesota and Virginia Tech were involved. We should stop acting like we begged this guy to come play for us and his other choice was UMKC or something.
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I will be happy if I am wrong, but I also have no idea what "involved" means. Does it mean making even the smallest amount of contact or an immediate scholarship offer?
 
cyclonehomer said:
I will be happy if I am wrong, but I also have no idea what "involved" means. Does it mean making even the smallest amount of contact or an immediate scholarship offer?
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Have no clue. That’s just what’s been put out there on Robert’s side. But you’re right we may not actually know if either of those teams offered scholarships.

I’d certainly be shocked if we saw this dude’s name pop up and immediately offered him. I hope not anyway lol.
 
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cyclones500 said:
This may or may not help.

Per 40 minutes, 2 seasons:
15.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.2 ast, 1.0 blk, 5.2 PF … .603 FG%, but .476 FT% (!)
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CyLyte2 said:
I don’t think Jaz is a “physical presence”. He’s a shooter.
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CyLyte2, whatever you say. I hope you're right about the shooting. I am not convinced based on 500's post. No mention of 3 point shooting, I don't think he does much of that. And 47% Free Throw percentage is not good, tells me he's more an in-close shooter. I could be wrong, I haven't read anything on him yet.
 
PizzaTheHutt said:
Based on some of the reactions in this thread it’s clear some people are playing checkers while the coaching staff is playing chess. There’s a bigger picture with what the staff sees and what they are trying to build long-term. Judging what A player averages on another team is a poor way of determining whether they’re going to be successful elsewhere....they could’ve been underutilized, it could’ve been a system that didn’t play to his strengths etc. etc. There’s a ton of ways to contribute to a team and T J. has a track record of evaluating talent and utilizing it to its full potential. Have some faith....and dare I say trust the process?
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cyclonehomer said:
I think people are severely underestimating the jump from role player on a really bad Summit League team to contributing at all in the B12. And yes, I do think that Iowa State should be looking for guys that can contribute spots 1-13. You don't or shouldn't recruit backups at this level, even though some guys will end up in that role. You recruit the best players you can that fit and find out how it shakes out in practice. Because you will miss on guys you think are starters and need every bit of talent that you can get.
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I’ll say it falls somewhere in between our points we’ve made. I’m more pointing out that for all we know he could be one of the best options for what T.J. is trying to do and build. It’s all speculation but I trust the staff knows what they’re doing. This wasn’t a decision that was made overnight. I’m more just looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
 
We want transfers from Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State, Ohio state sh!t like that....speaking of Ohio State what happened to that one 5 star recruit from Iowa that went to the Buckeyes? We need some legit talent to turn this ship around.
 
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dabears32 said:
Fills a need. Not every commit going to be all Big 12.

PS we went 0-18 last year. :(
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Going 0-18 is exactly why the team needs difference makers. Neither of the signees so far are difference makers. I think Hunter will be and if Bolton stays, he could be as well with Hunter taking one the PG duties. We can only go by the information available at this point and based on that, there is not a significant upgrade.
 
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t-noah said:
And Floyd brought in Cato, Pratt, Bankhead, and Willoughby first year after Orr.
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It has been done when transfers were much fewer and further between. Can't say that TJ has to hit a bunch of home runs this spring because that isn't fair, you will sometimes miss on recruits. But it absolutely is possible to bring in talent and turn things around quickly.
 
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CyLyte2 said:
I hated Prohm and I never questioned who he brought in until they played the game for us. The Freddy years should have taught us that. Fresh starts, different systems, team chemistry etc.. are intangibles that can't be measured by stats. Until they play for us we don't know what they will bring.
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someone had to eat human feces once because Cam Lard played for us.

Speaking of, that's another big that had a solid freshman campaign then fell off hard under the last staff.
 
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