Rhoads Issues in Recruiting

Edgy Uniforms...tell that to the Alabama Crimson Tide recruits who opt for the same dull boring non edgy uniforms that Joe Namath wore......

It's GEOGRAPHY boys and we are way out in north field in the big xii conferene.....

Its going to take awhole lot better coach than paul rhoads to bring a winner to ISU

We can't control geography or the program's past tradition. We can get some some awesome uniforms that will turn recruits heads though. At ISU, we need to think outside the box and get whatever edge we can.
 
NO I'm not missing anything but what you are missing is that college football is all about GEOGRAPHY.

If we were located in ft worth tx we would be just as good as thee horn froggies IT"S GEOGRAPHY.......

The University of Texas isn't even as good as the horn froggies.

You can overcome GEOGRAPHY.

For crying out loud, the University of Minnesota was a game away from the Big 10 Championship. Spare me the crappy league comments, they did what they had to do to get there.
 
We have a coach who can't recruit or coach. Imo, if a coach can't do one of those very well, he needs to be amazing at the other one. Ours is garbage at both. Rhoads recruits FCS players (other than Lazard and a select few others) and that's why we play at an FCS level and can't even beat FCS teams. People don't want to hear this but we're only going to get worse. Year after year, the players he signs get worse and worse. If a team likes to sign players like we sign, a coaching stay must be able to coach them up (like K state). The only problem is we don't have any coaches like that. So our FCS level players are just going to stay and play at an FCS level.
 
The University of Texas isn't even as good as the horn froggies.

You can overcome GEOGRAPHY.

For crying out loud, the University of Minnesota was a game away from the Big 10 Championship. Spare me the crappy league comments, they did what they had to do to get there.

Madison is also north of Ames. So is Cedar Falls and wherever North Dakota State is.
 
I'm in the minority here, but I could care less what our uniforms look like or whether CPR uses Twitter. He's made the decisions to do that, knowing full well that it may have a negative effect on recruiting.
 
We have a coach who can't recruit or coach. Imo, if a coach can't do one of those very well, he needs to be amazing at the other one. Ours is garbage at both. Rhoads recruits FCS players (other than Lazard and a select few others) and that's why we play at an FCS level and can't even beat FCS teams. People don't want to hear this but we're only going to get worse. Year after year, the players he signs get worse and worse. If a team likes to sign players like we sign, a coaching stay must be able to coach them up (like K state). The only problem is we don't have any coaches like that. So our FCS level players are just going to stay and play at an FCS level.
We failed to prove that in our opening games the last two years.
 
I'm in the minority here, but I could care less what our uniforms look like or whether CPR uses Twitter. He's made the decisions to do that, knowing full well that it may have a negative effect on recruiting.
It apparently has.
 
It apparently has.

We don't actually know that it has. We can speculate, but ultimately we don't know, unless there's a link to a story where a former recruit says he didn't become a Cyclone because Rhoads doesn't use Twitter.
 
I think the issues are many
  1. Failure to build a team the right way- OL/DL are priority one
  2. Over emphasis on recruiting Texas/Florida vs. players from upper Midwest
  3. What seems to be a de-emphasis of the walk-on program
  4. Poor assistant coaching choices with his original staff
 
Edgy Uniforms...tell that to the Alabama Crimson Tide recruits who opt for the same dull boring non edgy uniforms that Joe Namath wore......

It's GEOGRAPHY boys and we are way out in north field in the big xii conferene.....

Its going to take awhole lot better coach than paul rhoads to bring a winner to ISU

Alabama is where you base your response?
If Bear Bryant took a dump in a bucket it would have more tradition than Iowa State.
Baylor, Oregon, OKState?
 
Just for fun let me take the other side for a minute. The most audacious edgy uniforms belong to Texas Tech. And Kingsbury is bending to every whim of those players. Doesn't seem to be helping him much.
 
We don't actually know that it has. We can speculate, but ultimately we don't know, unless there's a link to a story where a former recruit says he didn't become a Cyclone because Rhoads doesn't use Twitter.

I don't think there be a recruit that expressly mentions that as the reason that he didn't choose Iowa State, that being said it is a part of what ties into the "culture" of a program. In the sense I bet we have had numerous potential recruits that would say that they didn't like the culture of the program as a reason they didn't choose ISU.

In response to the geography argument nobody can try to tell me that Boise State has a great location for football recruiting, they built their program by building a brand that was different than the masses and it worked(i'm not advocating cardinal turf either...)
 
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I think the issues are many
  1. Failure to build a team the right way- OL/DL are priority one
  2. Over emphasis on recruiting Texas/Florida vs. players from upper Midwest
  3. What seems to be a de-emphasis of the walk-on program
  4. Poor assistant coaching choices with his original staff
I strongly disagree with your last point. Tom Herman is now the offensive coordinator at Ohio State and Wally Burnham was one of the best defensive coordinators in the country when he was hired.

Wally needs to do the dignified thing though and retire because he fielded one of the worst defenses in ISU history this season.
 
I have not read the entire thread but I have read a majority of the posts.

I started doing a bit of 'research' on the side about uniforms and Oregon and I came up w/ these articles - peruse as you wish.

"Trendy Uniforms a Differentiator"
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...all-recruiting-uniforms-selling-point-schools

"Bold, Flashy Uniforms are the latest craze to attract Recruits" http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/12/28/uniforms

And this gem in Business Insider about Phil Knight, Nike, and why and how it helped them to go crazy w/ the coloring schemes in hopes of bringing in athletes. http://www.businessinsider.com/nike-influence-university-of-oregon-football-interference-2011-11

Are new unis a must-do? No. But...I'd sure love to see us try something different because what our FB program has going for it right now is a whole lotta nothing!
 
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I'm in the minority here, but I could care less what our uniforms look like or whether CPR uses Twitter. He's made the decisions to do that, knowing full well that it may have a negative effect on recruiting.

It doesn't matter what you like or what Rhoads likes, it's what 17 year old kids enjoy.

Been annoyed with the fact that ISU refuses to embrace the movement towards flash and for the lack of a better term, sex appeal, that many other programs have used to their advantage. Trying to compete with conference teams that are able to sell being cool and flashy all while standing here with ******* hard hats is going to be damn near impossible.
 
I strongly disagree with your last point. Tom Herman is now the offensive coordinator at Ohio State and Wally Burnham was one of the best defensive coordinators in the country when he was hired.
There were more than two coaches on Rhoads original staff. Rhoads pushed out Bleil, Messingham and Pope. Ash, Herman and Wells left on their own. After six years the Burnhams are the only original staff members still on staff. I fully understand coaching is a nomadic profession- but Rhoads needed to hit a triple with his original staff. He hit a single.
 
I read that the coaches went off to recruit right after the game yesterday... Are you f**cking me? Who in the h**ll would listen to those a**clowns after that pathetic showing they had Saturday? I am a big Cyclone backer, but I can no longer waste my time and money to follow this team. What is Pollard waiting for? Does anyone really think that we will magically win next year? I don't see how we will even pull three wins out of our a **.
Sorry for the negative post but this is insane!
 
It doesn't matter what you like or what Rhoads likes, it's what 17 year old kids enjoy.

Been annoyed with the fact that ISU refuses to embrace the movement towards flash and for the lack of a better term, sex appeal, that many other programs have used to their advantage. Trying to compete with conference teams that are able to sell being cool and flashy all while standing here with ******* hard hats is going to be damn near impossible.

Part of it is about building a certain culture though, a culture the head coach is comfortable with. K-State doesn't have any of the flash either. Zero. They've done okay. Honestly not gonna blame CPR for not tweeting.
 
There were more than two coaches on Rhoads original staff. Rhoads pushed out Bleil, Messingham and Pope. Ash, Herman and Wells left on their own. After six years the Burnhams are the only original staff members still on staff. I fully understand coaching is a nomadic profession- but Rhoads needed to hit a triple with his original staff. He hit a single.
Apparently a bunt single.
 
Part of it is about building a certain culture though, a culture the head coach is comfortable with. K-State doesn't have any of the flash either. Zero. They've done okay. Honestly not gonna blame CPR for not tweeting.

They can get away with it because they have the culture of actually winning a lot of games.

I'm not saying he needs to spend all of his time on Twitter, what I am saying is that in a room of attractive, flashy choices (B12), ISU is currently the fat girl in the corner with a drooling issue and helmet on. It's time to understand the landscape and get with the times, because this current boring, "hard hat" approach has been an absolute and undeniable failure.
 

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