Retirement Targets

Speaking from experience. If you end up in a care facility it takes a shockingly huge amount of money. . . . . . .

I read several years ago that due to our medical expertise and EMT services in this country that over 95% of us do not die at home. Which means when you are looking at your investments and thinking of the luxurious lifestyle you will enjoy in retirement that there is a dark side to take into consideration. I'm just glad they never spent an extended period in a full care facility which are far more expensive than assisted living.
Assisted living (in midwest) runs approx. $3000/month
Nursing care runs approx. twice ($5-$6000/month)
The 95% number is probably skewed heavy by picked up still alive at home or wherever and die enroute or at hospital, not necessarily in a care facility. My father and 3 brothers all died of heart attack (by age 45), none were at home. I am planning on a short retirement and at an early age.
 
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Speaking from experience. If you end up in a care facility it takes a shockingly huge amount of money. In laws were successful solid middle class folks and he worked in the financial sector which included investments and retirement planning. They had a policy that provided long term care money along with his military stipend and their savings. They were well insured. He was in and out of the hospital and full care facility early but eventually they both went into an assisted living facility basically at the same time. He passed a year or so ago and it has been about five years since they went in and I hope the money does not run out for my mother-in-law but it very well could. I read several years ago that due to our medical expertise and EMT services in this country that over 95% of us do not die at home. Which means when you are looking at your investments and thinking of the luxurious lifestyle you will enjoy in retirement that there is a dark side to take into consideration. I'm just glad they never spent an extended period in a full care facility which are far more expensive than assisted living.
Exactly, I recommend the long term care policy. I’ve been on one about 12 years now for about 50/mo. It covers about 3800/mo should I need a facility which is still only about 40% of a good facility cost. Now that is freaking insane.
 
I'm 48 and have about 600k in retirement savings.... so going by what most are saying on here.... I'll be working forever. Oh well. I don't mind working. Keeps you young.
You're way ahead of average, its just the only people who post on a thread like this are the ones doing very well. I'm doing fine, myself, better then some one here and far worse than others.

A little surprised how much people with that kind of savings worry about health care. You should worry about hyper inflation and new taxes on retirement savings when the government gets desperate for money. Every person posting a 6 figure savings would definitely be classified by certain politicians as the rich. The average American has a retirement savings of $228,900, but according to Charles Schwaab, if you have savings over 100K the average is around 940K. That is because so many save next to nothing.

Debt of all kind is skyrocketing thanks to the response to Covid, and dollars are being created out of thin air like never before. There are eventually consequences to that. 4 million could honestly disappear very quickly. Still far better to be the ant then the grasshopper.
 
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Speaking from experience. If you end up in a care facility it takes a shockingly huge amount of money. In laws were successful solid middle class folks and he worked in the financial sector which included investments and retirement planning. They had a policy that provided long term care money along with his military stipend and their savings. They were well insured. He was in and out of the hospital and full care facility early but eventually they both went into an assisted living facility basically at the same time. He passed a year or so ago and it has been about five years since they went in and I hope the money does not run out for my mother-in-law but it very well could. I read several years ago that due to our medical expertise and EMT services in this country that over 95% of us do not die at home. Which means when you are looking at your investments and thinking of the luxurious lifestyle you will enjoy in retirement that there is a dark side to take into consideration. I'm just glad they never spent an extended period in a full care facility which are far more expensive than assisted living.

If I remember correctly the average span in an assisted living/nursing home is 3 years.
 
This. I’m on pace to be able to retire in my early 40s if I really wanted to (I very likely won’t as I want a “better” retirement) but health insurance costs scare the hell out of me.

And trust me even if nothing hurts and you don't go to the doctor often, age will make it happen.
 
You're way ahead of average, its just the only people who post on a thread like this are the ones doing very well. I'm doing fine, myself, better then some one here and far worse than others.

A little surprised how much people with that kind of savings worry about health care. You should worry about hyper inflation and new taxes on retirement savings when the government gets desperate for money. Every person posting a 6 figure savings would definitely be classified by certain politicians as the rich. The average American has a retirement savings of $228,900, but according to Charles Schwaab, if you have savings over 100K the average is around 940K. That is because so many save next to nothing.

Debt of all kind is skyrocketing thanks to the response to Covid, and dollars are being created out of thin air like never before. There are eventually consequences to that. 4 million could honestly disappear very quickly. Still far better to be the ant then the grasshopper.

I do worry about taxation and huge increases in taxes in the future. I know it is not a popular opinion most likely, but I think they should lower SS age and increase SS taxes and remove the cap on taxation. I also think the money should go into accounts for the person and invested in broad market index with some base minimum return guarantee (over more than just a single year), almost like an IPERS deal. We need forced saving and for those at the lowest income levels maybe they get something like the earned income deal and they get some amount credited into their account. Again can't touch until say age 60.

When you are young time is such a powerful factor even with relatively small amounts, but the young brain has its thoughts on shiny objects and other distractions.
 
If I remember correctly the average span in an assisted living/nursing home is 3 years.
I heard less, more in the 18-24 month range.
Just googled, they say 27.5 months for nursing homes. Assisted living averages 3 years.
Both will have a huge range though.
 
We built & operated a 32 unit assisted living facility for ten years. Run correctly, these facilities prolong & enhance residents lives. A lot of the time they are by themselves & isolated prior to entering the facility and are given a fresh outlook on life when around other people & activities on a daily basis. I know of many who spend 10 years up to 25 so the average of 3 is very misleading. That is why I brought this up because younger people spend a lot of time planning financially for retirement but don’t get a lot of straight talk about reality.
 
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Would love to see the math on that 250k number by buying used cars. I agree that there's not a bigger waste of money than cars, but question how much you actually save by buying a car that's 2 years old vs. buying a car brand new. When you buy a new car, you have 0 repair costs for the first few years based on warranty and lower likelyhood of failure vs. a used car you will have 0 or short warranty and who knows if the owner before you actually took care of it. Not arguing that you will save money by buying used, I'm questioning how much and if it's really worth it.
Never have had a car payment. Always paid cash for used cars, generally Japanese, that were 2-4 years old. Keep it simple - I excluded all maintenance and fuel expenses. Yes - maintenance expenses can be more with older cars, but with hondas and toyotas the maintenance expenses outside of warranty can be minimal, especially if you buy certified pre-owned.

Say you pay $17,500 versus $35,000 and drive for five years. Saving $17,500 every five years for 30 years, as an example, totals $105,000. Please note this excludes all the income you have earned from investing an additional $17,500 every 5 years and future compounding. Now take that times two cars......$250,000 is light.

Key assumption- buy 1/2 of what you can afford in homes and cars and invest the rest. It works.

You can use this formula on.leasing cars, lease 1/2 of what you can afford and invest the rest.

I drove a car I bought for $1,000 when I was 16 and drove until I was 26. Paid cash at 26 for 1/2 of what I could afford and started the cycle.
 
Never have had a car payment. Always paid cash for used cars, generally Japanese, that were 2-4 years old. Keep it simple - I excluded all maintenance and fuel expenses. Yes - maintenance expenses can be more with older cars, but with hondas and toyotas the maintenance expenses outside of warranty can be minimal, especially if you buy certified pre-owned.

Say you pay $17,500 versus $35,000 and drive for five years. Saving $17,500 every five years for 30 years, as an example, totals $105,000. Please note this excludes all the income you have earned from investing an additional $17,500 every 5 years and future compounding. Now take that times two cars......$250,000 is light.

Key assumption- buy 1/2 of what you can afford in homes and cars and invest the rest. It works.

You can use this formula on.leasing cars, lease 1/2 of what you can afford and invest the rest.

I drove a car I bought for $1,000 when I was 16 and drove until I was 26. Paid cash at 26 for 1/2 of what I could afford and started the cycle.

But then you drive ****** poor cars and live in a ****** poor neighborhood. You’ll never get any ass with those stats on your baseball card.
 
Never have had a car payment. Always paid cash for used cars, generally Japanese, that were 2-4 years old. Keep it simple - I excluded all maintenance and fuel expenses. Yes - maintenance expenses can be more with older cars, but with hondas and toyotas the maintenance expenses outside of warranty can be minimal, especially if you buy certified pre-owned.

Say you pay $17,500 versus $35,000 and drive for five years. Saving $17,500 every five years for 30 years, as an example, totals $105,000. Please note this excludes all the income you have earned from investing an additional $17,500 every 5 years and future compounding. Now take that times two cars......$250,000 is light.

Key assumption- buy 1/2 of what you can afford in homes and cars and invest the rest. It works.

You can use this formula on.leasing cars, lease 1/2 of what you can afford and invest the rest.

I drove a car I bought for $1,000 when I was 16 and drove until I was 26. Paid cash at 26 for 1/2 of what I could afford and started the cycle.

MSRP on a 2021 Toyota Camry is 25k. A Google search show about 18k for a 2018 Camry. Yes, there is a difference but not as pronounced as you think it is.
 
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MSRP on a 2021 Toyota Camry is 25k. A Google search show about 18k for a 2018 Camry. Yes, there is a difference but not as pronounced as you think it is.
Then you have to move to a 4-5 year old car. Get certified pre-owned, if available. My model is all relative, buy or lease half of what you can afford and have the discipline to invest the rest. It's hard, but works.
 
Net worth up 28% year over year.

42 months to LeanFIRE
62 months to FIRE
126 months to FatFire

Keep on trudging.

Wish I would have know about FIRE when I was in school! Haha. It’s something more people should be aware of. I will be LeanFIRE in about the same time. That’s when I will leave my current job and focus more on my side gig that I do and enjoy more. Doesn’t take many hours to do and I can spend life enjoying my family and what I do.
 
These threads always intrigue me. I'm 50, upper middle-class, and started to work with a CPA/Financial Advisor when I was 33. At that time it was recommended to have $2 million in savings at retirement and probably now closer to $3 million in today's money. What are your goals for retirement savings at your current age? I often ask myself if we are saving too much and not enjoying life to the fullest at our age or we're doing the right thing for retirement? I think I've figured out that there is no magical answer to that question.
 
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