It’s stupid. I honestly get it when stupid dad that never achieved anything has their kid do it. They don’t know any better. Very surprised that Schwab would.
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Not something I’d expect from them either, and interesting to say the least, but at least it makes some sense. Looks like he just wrestled 83 lbs this summer and his younger brother wrestled 97 lbs. I’m guessing they will be 106 and 113/120 as freshman together. Hard to put ourselves in the shoes of others
Holding kids back for athletics in grade school is lame. Calling it a “gap year” is even more lame. Too many parents out there who assign value to the wrong things, a la winning high school wrestling matches.
being held back and asking to be held back are 2 completely different things
if he is not meeting the academic standards required to advance - that is one thing
how are his grades ?
petitioning the school to leave a child back solely for athletics is a complete joke
along with " home school" loop hole
they are student athletes
notice what is listed 1st
if he is not meeting the academic standards required to advance - that is one thing
how are his grades ?
petitioning the school to leave a child back solely for athletics is a complete joke
along with " home school" loop hole
they are student athletes
notice what is listed 1st
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A lot of things can influence this and everyone makes decisions based on what’s best for their family and their kids. No different than taking a different job and moving schools. Is he going to be 20 when he graduates now? 19? When is his birthday? All kids mature at different stages and parents have the right to do what’s best for them. The problem is everyone always thinks they know what’s best for everyone else. Social media allows people to be more judgmental and have the expert opinions.
They think the kid is too small to wrestle as a freshman. That is the reason for this move. It is stupid. No one cares what you’re wrestling results were as a freshman.
If you want to defend it, explain why you think that is good.
You sure say no one cares about your results a lot. Why do you follow wrestling if you don’t care about results? It all matters. Kids matter. What they do and accomplish matters.
I need to go back and work the points but I think if we had landed Askren, we would have won the 2007 team title that we lost to Minnesota. We needed to get a champion out of one of our finalists(Backes and Varner were both in the finals) an didn't, but I think it wouldn't have mattered as Conrad stuck his guy at heavy. But putting Bens points at 174 would have put us ahead.
Not freshman year it doesn’t. This is how people get caught up thinking 4 timers are some how better than 2-3 timers. They’re not. They were just better when they were 12.
I care about how good someone is when they’re a senior. It is really all that matters. Probably every college out there would rather have Messenbrink than some of the other recruits that had better freshman years. Best guys prove it when they’re juniors/seniors.
Wake me up at Super 32 Schwab’s junior year. I’ll evaluate him after Fargo following his junior year. His freshman results in a mediocre high school state will be absolutely meaningless.
My argument is that results matter but they aren’t everything. Kids are taught work ethic and goal setting and to say that winning or placing at state doesn’t matter just because of their age is dumb. When do you draw the line of “what matters”? Do only D1 athletes matter? Only a D1 national title?
Someone as good as Schwab clearly has goals much higher than high school, wouldn’t you agree?
Results certainly do matter at somepoint. I think it's okay to say they don't matter at a certain age depending on what your ulimate goals are and every kid will be different. Do your freshman high school results matter when your ultimate golas are probably D1 wrestling and beyond? Not at all. Kids should be taught work ethic and goal setting for sure. So then what are you teaching by holding back to avoid a few potential ass whippings on the wrestling mat?
You’re teaching them shortcuts.
I think you’re also teaching them to care too much about things that are ultimately unimportant. In 20 years Schwab, not anyone else will care at all about his freshman year of high school. The parents should be teaching them that the goal is to work hard, do their best, and the journey is what matters. If you put all your emphasis on what the end result is you’re only setting up for failure.
Yes but who are we to pick and choose the steps in his journey? It’s all a part of the process and 1 year for an undersized kid really isn’t that big of a deal. Kids mature at much different ages and obviously this undersized freshman isn’t developing as quickly as his peers. The “it only matters when…” argument is as dumb as the “winning is all that matters” argument. There’s a balance in valuing results/achievement, work ethic, social/fun, character development/attitude. I’m not for it but they are doing what they feel is best for his journey and development
i see your side , while I don't agree with the premise that it's the same as taking a job or moving
those decisions are made by adults for the betterment of their life and or the life of the family they are a part of -
now again - if this is due to academic reason's - then there is zero debate
however, if Soley for athletic gain - you may remember a multi time NYS champ Steveo Poulin
he too stayed back due to size, and he was an honor student
plenty of young athletes are too small to compete or make an instant impact on their HS team
you make the most of the time you get -
some may have more time than others - so what that is life
shame on the school for knowingly allowing this and the parents for circumventing the rules
while they are not the first and they won't sadly not the last
i will simply end with this
to hold a child back Soley for athletic purposes is wrong plain and simple
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I spoke with Waverly-Shell Rock's McCrae Hagarty since he's taking an unofficial visit to Iowa for football this weekend. The Hawkeyes are showing interest as a fullback.
Hagarty told me he's also scheduled official visits for wrestling to Iowa State on 9/17 and Iowa on 10/1. Ohio State is also looking to schedule an official visit. Projects at 197 in college.
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I spoke with Waverly-Shell Rock's McCrae Hagarty since he's taking an unofficial visit to Iowa for football this weekend. The Hawkeyes are showing interest as a fullback.
Hagarty told me he's also scheduled official visits for wrestling to Iowa State on 9/17 and Iowa on 10/1. Ohio State is also looking to schedule an official visit. Projects at 197 in college.
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Is the Iowa wrestling program trying to have the football program give scholarships so they can get around the scholarship limit?
I shouldn’t have said it’s the exact same, but has some similarities. I’d also be interested in when his birthday is. If he turned 19 before entering his senior year now that’s a problem. Also this stuff is more common out east and at prep schools than most know. It’s hard to compare to other situations when he clearly lacks physical development. Daton fix I believe was 19 when he graduated.