Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CoKane]

Unlike Texas we can tell them to **** off if they demand special treatment. That will be fun.

True, but they also will never compete in either sport and are horrible culture fits, which I think still matters because that's the one gap in the market for the Big 12 to dive into still. If we take the 4 corners then Colorado has history with all 3 of our additions plus 6 of the current Big 12 teams. Utah has BYU which is a pretty major rivalry. Cal is Rutgers or Maryland but with a tiny bit of history with the other movers.

 

[CoKane]

I posted something similar in the other thread. Promoting G5 schools is more future competition for ISU to remain in the "power conference(s)"

I agree we shouldn't be promoting teams if we can land better picks from the P5, but I really think it's time to give up the idea of us being P2 or whatever. The Big 10 told us no and the SEC will never come calling. Just stay where you are and when the day comes the Big 10 and SEC turn to raiding each other or the top teams from those 2 break away then you're golden.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I agree we shouldn't be promoting teams if we can land better picks from the P5, but I really think it's time to give up the idea of us being P2 or whatever. The Big 10 told us no and the SEC will never come calling. Just stay where you are and when the day comes the Big 10 and SEC turn to raiding each other or the top teams from those 2 break away then you're golden.

I'm not saying we will get invited to those but if there ever is a break away from the NCAA we want to be in the third conference and with the least amount of other teams possible.

 

[WhoISthis]

Why would any school from a left behind league ever settle regarding a GoR agreement? They are entitled to their media rights income if the break it and they won't get a better deal than that.

Because letting the GOR expire gets them nothing. Letting it get to court a nonzero risk of disaster and if they win, right back to a dead ACC with no chance of that changing. And enough schools agreeing without you, resulting in dissolution, likely a years long court drama in which you’re playing in lower than the American while it’s settled.

Settlement is not only the safest path, it is their only way to leverage the GOR for altering their realignment fate and pay.

A slight premium to the horrible 2016 era deal and a spot in the 3rd super conference is an easy decision. They should be asking for ACC to be made the base of 3rd conference, which given ESPN’s low offer on keeping PAC together, isn’t yet out of question.

If espn was our sole rights holder for next 14 years, you better believe we’d sell OUT for free to have ESPN kill PAC and ACC, roll their leftovers to Big 12, and giving us a premium to balance of our deal. We’d likely give up the premium if needed. Hell, we’re likely still trying to give OUT away for that

 

[BCClone]

I agree we shouldn't be promoting teams if we can land better picks from the P5, but I really think it's time to give up the idea of us being P2 or whatever. The Big 10 told us no and the SEC will never come calling. Just stay where you are and when the day comes the Big 10 and SEC turn to raiding each other or the top teams from those 2 break away then you're golden.

I don’t think people believe we will be in a P2 or P3. We just want to be the number 3 conference, and we will not be able to do that by promoting all these G5s. Shoot, we promoted some former P5/6 schools and they were all deemed to just be G5s for their entire existence.

 

[isu81]

I'm not saying we will get invited to those but if there ever is a break away from the NCAA we want to be in the third conference and with the least amount of other teams possible.

I don’t think being the 3rd is anything significant. With the difference in money/prestige/access to playoff, it’s going to be a P2.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

There was a Frank the Tank (I think) post by a lawyer that said dissolving the conference probably won’t kill the GOR. It would lower the risk but there would still be a potentially nine figure lawsuit by the Wake Forests assserting that they own the broadcast rights to Ohio State at UNC or Alabama at FSU.

Yeah, I think it would need to be a very small number of schools being left out. If it was something like just WF and BC, a settlement payout for GOR could probably get worked out with a pretty good sized payout to those schools.

The scales would have to tip where most of the schools not headed to Big10/SEC were better off in a different conference with better TV payout than current contract, and ESPN would also have to be on board with it.

 

[BryceC]

The thought would be that the departing schools pay out above and beyond what the media rights deal was for the remaining term of the grant of rights. Some of the sec/big money would trickle down to the left behind schools.

No, it's more that the schools grant the collection of their media rights money to the conference. That's why when the Big 12 or Big 10 announces how much they distribute, it's coming from the conference.

So let's say Clemson leaves, and joins the SEC. The Clemson portion of their SEC payout would be delivered to the ACC to be distributed to members of the ACC, since the ACC owns Clemson's media rights until the expiration of the deal. Ergo, the ACC would be thrilled if Clemson left for the SEC right now, because they'd get that 100 million, and they wouldn't even need to pay Clemson out of that money.

That's why UT and OU are still in the conference.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Again, can we please make sure our future is secure before promoting anymore G5 teams?

Needs more SMU and Boise State

 

[WhoISthis]

There was a Frank the Tank (I think) post by a lawyer that said dissolving the conference probably won’t kill the GOR. It would lower the risk but there would still be a potentially nine figure lawsuit by the Wake Forests assserting that they own the broadcast rights to Ohio State at UNC or Alabama at FSU.

Frank is a BIG fanboy, and thinks like that. He’s also stuck in last era of realignment.


He didn’t see USC coming, and he’s wrong on this too.

 

[Stormin]

Again, can we please make sure our future is secure before promoting anymore G5 teams?

Agree. The obsession over adding San Diego State and thinking it is a homerun. SMH. Mountain West is where they should remain unless completely desperate. We passed them over last time.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Frank is a BIG fanboy, and thinks like that. He’s also stuck in last era of realignment.


He didn’t see USC coming, and he’s wrong on this too.

Here’s the link: https://frankthetank.org/2022/07/22...olution-to-break-a-grant-of-rights-agreement/

It has nothing to do with B1G fandom (a B1G fan wouldn’t want to argue what he’s arguing anyway lol)

It has nothing to do with seeing USC coming

Find a lawyer who agrees with you and I’ll read it, it’s an interesting topic.

 

[exCyDing]

I posted something similar in the other thread. Promoting G5 schools is more future competition for ISU to remain in the "power conference(s)"

Completely agree, but besides that there's a ton of reasons we shouldn't be looking at G5 teams in the near future. Unless there's a significant change in situations, G5s have to be off the table now, primarily because there are a lot of far more valuable schools that very well might be looking for a new home when the ACC GOR is up and the Big XII is in a stable position for the time being.

Let's say we take 4 from the PAC to get to 16. Should we go for 20 with the likes of San Diego St, Boise St, Tulane and UNLV? Or wait and see if we can get there with the likes of Pitt, NC State, VA Tech and Louisville? Washington St and Oregon St probably both bring 2-3x the value of any of those G5 schools and everyone's shitting all over them. Yeah, it'd be a lot more fun to go to a road game in San Diego or New Orleans than Pullman or Corvallis, but that's not a good reason to add schools to the conference.

Last year's adds were the best available and if the Big XII didn't take them, the PAC would very likely be circling the carcass of the Big XII right now instead of the other way around. The situation has changed dramatically in 12 months.

 

[CloneJD]

No, it's more that the schools grant the collection of their media rights money to the conference. That's why when the Big 12 or Big 10 announces how much they distribute, it's coming from the conference.

So let's say Clemson leaves, and joins the SEC. The Clemson portion of their SEC payout would be delivered to the ACC to be distributed to members of the ACC, since the ACC owns Clemson's media rights until the expiration of the deal. Ergo, the ACC would be thrilled if Clemson left for the SEC right now, because they'd get that 100 million, and they wouldn't even need to pay Clemson out of that money.

That's why UT and OU are still in the conference.

I understand that. In a negotiated release the remaining schools could grant the rights back to clemson and then receive payments from clemson in return.

 

[12191987]

Unlike Texas we can tell them to **** off if they demand special treatment. That will be fun.

Look, I’m in no way trying to invalidate your emotions…but have you guys tried talking to Cal about how you feel?

It seems much more likely that Cal inadvertently hurt your feelings, or maybe was just oblivious and insensitive rather than genuinely malicious?

 

[WhoISthis]

Here’s the link: https://frankthetank.org/2022/07/22...olution-to-break-a-grant-of-rights-agreement/

It has nothing to do with B1G fandom (a B1G fan wouldn’t want to argue what he’s arguing anyway lol)

It has nothing to do with seeing USC coming

Find a lawyer who agrees with you and I’ll read it, it’s an interesting topic.

You’re right, he’s also a mediocre lawyer

This isn’t a legal decision. It’s a business decision based on risk/reward, like most of these situations. The likelihood of success in court is an input, which is why the ACC leftovers have enough leverage to get accommodations, but as long as it’s non-zero, it’s just risk/reward, and the leftovers can only “not lose” in court.

On the other hand, the would-be P2 schools have $800 million to spend on this, and losing in court just means going back to ACC with amortized owed rights for any season they were gone. Likely well less than $800 million.

There could also be other events that would further erode the ability to keep ACC schools from leaving. Best to settle while you can

More frivolous lawsuits get settled every day.

 

[CoKane]

I'm not saying we will get invited to those but if there ever is a break away from the NCAA we want to be in the third conference and with the least amount of other teams possible.

I see. Personally I think the break away will be the elites of the SEC and Big 10 while leaving basically everyone else behind, so if that happens we got no shot. I think the next round of media deals in the 30s or 40s will either be one of those 2 attacking the other or the top 16 of those 2 conferences saying screw Rutgers, Indiana, Vandy, and South Carolina, we're going and forming their own conference coast to coast.

I can understand that viewpoint though.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I see. Personally I think the break away will be the elites of the SEC and Big 10 while leaving basically everyone else behind, so if that happens we got no shot. I think the next round of media deals in the 30s or 40s will either be one of those 2 attacking the other or the top 16 of those 2 conferences saying screw Rutgers, Indiana, Vandy, and South Carolina, we're going and forming their own conference coast to coast.

I can understand that viewpoint though.

That's definitely possible. Just want to position ourselves as strong as possible for whatever happens. Even if we don't end up in the elite break-off being the top of the rest will still be entertaining

 

[CoKane]

I don’t think being the 3rd is anything significant. With the difference in money/prestige/access to playoff, it’s going to be a P2.

If the 16 team rumor happens it almost certainly will not be. The 2 of them can't make rules excluding everyone else due to legal issues anyhow if it doesn't expand

 

[CoKane]

That's definitely possible. Just want to position ourselves as strong as possible for whatever happens. Even if we don't end up in the elite break-off being the top of the rest will still be entertaining

It absolutely will be something seeing the Iowas and Missouris of the world go from grave dancing and cheering checks getting cleared suddenly realize how screwed they are once the Ohio States and Alabamas make it clear they don't see them on the same level