Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[WhoISthis]

It’ll certainly be quick one way or another. Too much at stake for it to drag out beyond the week.

Thankfully.

If the Big 12 is unified, it’s in a great spot.

Leftover vs leftover conference realignment is more about that than revenue- any combination is going to be half the P2 at best.

If some big 12 schools want to the Pac12 to be the base of the leftovers, then we could have trouble. I have no idea why they’d want that, but we’ll see.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

it's 8:16 am on 7/5 and in 12 hours the Pac 12 may not even exist anymore.

 

[JP4CY]

 

[BCClone]

Still would prefer if we took two school in the next 24 hours to keep the frenzy going and allow us to get the exact four teams we want and flesh out any additional big ten interest.

 

[Acylum]

Still would prefer if we took two school in the next 24 hours to keep the frenzy going and allow us to get the exact four teams we want and flesh out any additional big ten interest.

I think Utah and Arizona would get the ball rolling.

 

[Rods79]

A full merger makes absolute sense if it brings in an Apple/Amazon/Google to pay everyone as much as FOX/CBS would with just taking 4.

 

[BCClone]

I think Utah and Arizona would get the ball rolling.

I would rather have Utah and Arizona State from the viewship numbers.

 

[ISUTex]

The relationship between ND and Stanford, as well as USC, stems from the efforts primarily of Yost at Michigan to get midwestern teams to quit playing ND in an effort to destroy them. It is a notorious story in ND lore that Mrs. Rockne told her husband it would be nice to visit California.

While ND has loyalty to those schools, it credits the Navy with keeping the university alive during WW II. They will do nothing to cut Navy from their schedule and will play that game as long as Navy wants to.

Correct. Notre Dame will never stop playing Navy or USC. I doubt they ever join the Big 10 unless they absolutely have no other choice. They will join the ACC if they have to join something and the ACC still exists. The ACC could easily survive if Notre Dame joins. Notre Dame has a real hatred for the Big 10.

 

[JP4CY]

Correct. Notre Dame will never stop playing Navy or USC. I doubt they ever join the Big 10 unless they absolutely have no other choice. They will join the ACC if they have to join something and the ACC still exists. The ACC could easily survive if Notre Dame joins. Notre Dame has a real hatred for the Big 10.

I was actually reading up on some of that this weekend because I didn't know why. Before the Big Ten became the Big Ten, Notre Dame was getting better and Michigan tried squashing them with a scheduling alliance with regional schools and it didn't work. Apparently Notre Dame still holds a significant grudge.

 

[BCClone]

Correct. Notre Dame will never stop playing Navy or USC. I doubt they ever join the Big 10 unless they absolutely have no other choice. They will join the ACC if they have to join something and the ACC still exists. The ACC could easily survive if Notre Dame joins. Notre Dame has a real hatred for the Big 10.

If the ACC blows up, would it make sense for the big XII to set something up similar to the ACC? ND is a solid draw and would boost the conference, I don’t like it but if we can elevate ourselves a little more…. ND would be the only team I would consider in that situation.

 

[heitclone]

I was actually reading up on some of that this weekend because I didn't know why. Before the Big Ten became the Big Ten, Notre Dame was getting better and Michigan tried squashing them with a scheduling alliance with regional schools and it didn't work. Apparently Notre Dame still holds a significant grudge.

ND's arrogance will the biggest component of all of this. Typically it's why I can't stand them but when its directed at the b1g, it's wonderful.

 

[isucy86]

100% agree with WSU. They are not that different than ISU fans. I lived in Seattle for 12 years. The UW-WSU rivalry is very much like the UI-ISU rivalry, except UW fans are a bit more like NU fans…”entitled” to success because they had some success in the early ‘90s. They also thumb their noses at WSU, not unlike UI fans try to do to us at times.

Your rivalry analogy could be right.

But there is a HUGE difference in fan base support. In 2019/20 (pre COVID) Washington State's COMBINED attendance for FB, MBB and WBB was 34,000. Iowa States COMBINED attendance was 84,000.

Oregon State's combined attendance was 46k. If TV Markets count as much as the Networks people seem to value, I would take SDSU (44.4 Combined) over Oregon State in a Big12 that adds CU, UU, ASU & AU.

 

[carvers4math]

I was actually reading up on some of that this weekend because I didn't know why. Before the Big Ten became the Big Ten, Notre Dame was getting better and Michigan tried squashing them with a scheduling alliance with regional schools and it didn't work. Apparently Notre Dame still holds a significant grudge.

A lot of that grudge is based on Fielding Yost’s bigotry against Catholics. Michigan and Ohio State both played some part, but mostly Michigan.

It is also why when ND started playing some ACC opponents every year, they kept Michigan on the schedule less frequently than Michigan State and Purdue.

 

[BCClone]

One thing that I do laugh at some is thinking back to all the love that Colorado state was receiving on here. Now we have Colorado begging to come back and I dont think I want them due to poor viewership.

 

[Stormin]

Still would prefer if we took two school in the next 24 hours to keep the frenzy going and allow us to get the exact four teams we want and flesh out any additional big ten interest.

Taking the 4 schools gives the desired outcome of decimating the PAC 12. Then Washington and Oregon have a big decision. Big Ten might not take. Do they add or join the Big 12?

 

[isucy86]

Thats where its going, because the guys writing the checks (espn and fox) want it that way.
But i think there will be plenty of schools in the academic league and it will be lots of fun.

I think it goes beyond academics. It's a pay-for-play/employee status league vs. scholarship&NIL/student league.

 

[WhoISthis]

I think it goes beyond academics. It's a pay-for-play/employee status league vs. scholarship&NIL/student league.

Only if the college athletics gets ahead on that ASAP, because if left to the courts it will be tough to have that student league be anything worth caring about.

 

[isucy86]

A full merger makes absolute sense if it brings in an Apple/Amazon/Google to pay everyone as much as FOX/CBS would with just taking 4.

I would agree a full merger works from a TV eyeballs and geography standpoint if Oregon & Washington are included.

If not my focus would be on the 4 SW schools.

 

[WhoISthis]

A full merger makes absolute sense if it brings in an Apple/Amazon/Google to pay everyone as much as FOX/CBS would with just taking 4.

You think the Big 12 adding WSU and Oregon St is a requisite to those entering the picture?

Those services will get involved with the Big 12 taking the top of the Pac12 and killing off that conference.

 

[Stormin]

You think the Big 12 adding WSU and Oregon St is a requisite to those entering the picture?

Those services will get involved with the Big 12 taking the top of the Pac12 and killing off that conference.

Washington and Oregon will leave the Big 12 if Big Ten calls. Then you are stuck with WSU and OSU.