Snow birds for sure. AZ is exploding in population. PHX being a Big 12 town would be amazing. You could shop the football title game between Dallas and PHX. Lots of direct flights from almost everywhere.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I say, **** it. Let’s go get the Irish ourselves.
The Big 12 should just get everybody.
Not just snow birds but I knew plenty of people that moved down there for their post-college 20s life.
Make it a thing for different schools' bars like Denver did or does.
I hope the football title game moves around a bit between Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Orlando, maybe even a San Antonio in there. Keep hoops in KC permanently of course.
Totally agree. Bama get ready to come Ames.
According to the ISU Foundation, the top-12 residence states for ISU alumni are:
1. Iowa
2. Minnesota
3. Illinois
4. California
5. Texas
6. Colorado
7. Wisconsin
8. Missouri
9. Nebraska
10. Florida
11. Arizona
12. Washington
I understand that the best financial and survival move will be the one taken, but my problem with this mindset is that OSU and WSU, the two schools most likely to be left out, likely weren’t the one’s nixing merger. It sounds like the California school’s were the primary parties opposed. Cal and Stanford for snobbery and the LA schools would have had to sign a new GOR which they didn’t want to do for now obvious reasons.
Thats where its going, because the guys writing the checks (espn and fox) want it that way.
But i think there will be plenty of schools in the academic league and it will be lots of fun.
So from Google every source I have found says only $15M from NBC.
If it is $8M from the ACC.
That is only $23M total, that is far less than what they would get in any P5 (except for maybe the PAC, HaHa) and considering B1G is talking in the Neighborhood $100M, how can they say no to that? Unless the others agree Up their pay extremely.
At that point though I question NDs value to NBC for a few games on their network, vs how they are valued to a conference as part of the media package?
They also get some from the playoffs and any bowl games they may be in. I read the 8 (7.9 technically) in an article someone posted. Don’t know if it’s from the last year (Covid) or not.
Is the WCC a more prestigious academic conference than the B12? I agree this kind of route could be an option if the B12 invite isn't on the table. But I don't believe they would turn down the B12 due to academics if the alternative is dropping FB and moving to the WCC or MWC or something like that.
Sorry to get this thread off track a little bit here but I think I have a creative/innovative idea to draw some eyes to the Big 12 if the Four Corners schools end up joining us. Ideally, I would like to see us maintain some geographic continuity and protect rivalries but also promote entertaining TV/matchups to drive revenue. I believe best way to do this would be to create 4 pods of 4 teams.
Pod 1 - Eastern Pod
West Virginia
Cincinatti
UCF
Oklahoma State
Pod 2 - Big Eight Pod
Iowa State
KU
Kansas State
Colorado
Pod 3 - Lone Star Pod
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Pod 4- PAC Pod
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Utah
We can argue about which team goes in which pod later but a 4x4 pod structure fits nice. You play each team in your pod every year (3 games) then you rotate to one of the other pods annually (4 games) every year. I know this may be tough for a PAC/East matchup but you would only have two awful roadtrips once every 3 years so that really isn't too bad. Under this format, this places each team at 7 conference games currently.
At this point, I think it would be incredible TV to take the standings and reseed the teams to create 4 different 4 team brackets. If you are in first place in your pod, you get placed in a bracket with all the other 1 seeds to duke it out in a playoff for the Big 12 championship. All the 2 seeds get placed in a bracket together. All the 3 seeds get placed in a bracket together. All the 4 seeds get placed in a bracket together.
Winner of semi #1 plays winner of semi #2. Loser of semi #1 plays loser of semi #2 in each bracket. If you want competitive games and people tuning in to games that matter in November, literally make the conference title into a regular season playoffs and then put teams of a similar level against each other so we have good games. Because every team is guaranteed 2 games in their bracket, you still play 9 conference games and can play 3 non-con (if those even really exist in the future). For all I care, we can try to find a way to even play a 13th game somehow. I haven't thought that far but lets get innovative and create a cool product doing it.
TL;DR: Be creative. Do something to attract eyeballs without being gimmicky. If "one true champion" is going to be the motto, make the Big 12 championship a 4 team playoff. If you build an entertaining and fun product with competitive games, people are going to watch and were going to be just fine.
Pod 1 - Eastern Pod
West Virginia
Cincinatti
UCF
Oklahoma State
Pod 2 - Big Eight Pod
Iowa State
KU
Kansas State
Colorado
Pod 3 - Lone Star Pod
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Pod 4- PAC Pod
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Utah
We can argue about which team goes in which pod later but a 4x4 pod structure fits nice. You play each team in your pod every year (3 games) then you rotate to one of the other pods annually (4 games) every year. I know this may be tough for a PAC/East matchup but you would only have two awful roadtrips once every 3 years so that really isn't too bad. Under this format, this places each team at 7 conference games currently.
At this point, I think it would be incredible TV to take the standings and reseed the teams to create 4 different 4 team brackets. If you are in first place in your pod, you get placed in a bracket with all the other 1 seeds to duke it out in a playoff for the Big 12 championship. All the 2 seeds get placed in a bracket together. All the 3 seeds get placed in a bracket together. All the 4 seeds get placed in a bracket together.
Winner of semi #1 plays winner of semi #2. Loser of semi #1 plays loser of semi #2 in each bracket. If you want competitive games and people tuning in to games that matter in November, literally make the conference title into a regular season playoffs and then put teams of a similar level against each other so we have good games. Because every team is guaranteed 2 games in their bracket, you still play 9 conference games and can play 3 non-con (if those even really exist in the future). For all I care, we can try to find a way to even play a 13th game somehow. I haven't thought that far but lets get innovative and create a cool product doing it.
TL;DR: Be creative. Do something to attract eyeballs without being gimmicky. If "one true champion" is going to be the motto, make the Big 12 championship a 4 team playoff. If you build an entertaining and fun product with competitive games, people are going to watch and were going to be just fine.
Ah, yes, I kind of didnt know if that was part of the ACC pay or separate, makes sense. Still kind of low considering. Would think NBC would have to way overpay for them.
I really like the idea of seeding everybody at the end of the seasons but I think it only works for one week. If you play a second week (other than the 1 seed winners playing in the conference championship game) you can't guarantee teams 5 home conference games every other year. I guess it could work if you played the second week using the original seeds and swap the pods rather than winners vs winners and losers vs losers. Although I think that really complicates how you select teams for the conference championship game and risks giving your 1 seeds extra losses which hurt at-large selections in an expanded playoff.
Those are obviously valid points. Hopefully you could address some of that by intelligent non-conference scheduling. Playoff expansion is also a massive variable that has to be settled before we have clarity.
However, we have to drive viewership and revenue. A regular season playoff for the conference title does that and so does competitive 2-4 seed playoff brackets creating good games.
We’re obviously all biased here but I would much rather spend my Saturday in mid-November watching Oklahoma State play Utah in the Big 12 semi finals than watch USC play at Illinois or Oklahoma play at Vanderbilt. This model would create storylines in October and eyeballs in November. Make the games matter.
The Big 12 will be more than willing to trade OUT in exchange for ESPN helping make the Big 12 the "3" in P3.
We are nearly halfway there, just need ESPN to liquidate the ACC