Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Agree. This is where the PAC will take it on the chin, they'll lose tons of casual viewers just surfing up and down the guide for the best game and I can't imagine many bars/pubs/restaurants/etc. showing games on streamers unless they're a home bar for someone playing on one of them.

Hell, even when its on DTV, it can be hard enough to get someone to switch a TV. The employee often doesn't know how to do it or if they do, they need you to tell them what channel number. A streaming app? Good luck. Though many bars might at least purchase Amazon\ESPN licenses because the NFL and the sheer number of games on ESPN+. A streaming app that has barely any sports on it aside from the pac 12? Almost no bar outside the pac 12 footprint is going to fork out for the commercial license for that.
 
I think all of this discussion over different apps and ways to use them is a wonderful example of the overarching point:

Streaming may be the future, but it sure as **** isn't where you want all of your product to be yet.

No not yet but its heading that way. Does any even watch the there major networks? I haven't for years. Unless its sports. I can't wait for the day I can just pay for channels I watch, 90% of it I dont watch ever.
 
This is all fine and good for Hulu Live users, but the seamless access to ESPN+ content is still there for everyone else. Whether you are on YouTube TV or Sling or DirectvNow or still with traditional cable or satellite, ESPN+ is a pain in the ass for casual viewing. Going over there to tee up an ISU game is fine, but for everything else it is just too much work. If I am flipping games during commercials or just casually hunting down a game to watch as background noise it is easier to stay within one app or service.

I also see this being unlikely to change soon. Hulu and ESPN+ have an incentive to integrate because Disney owns it all. I don't see that functionality coming to YTTV anytime soon because Disney would rather have you switch fully to their service instead of playing nice with Google.

Being all in or heavily in to true streaming services will push the Pac off of a public exposure cliff. And they struggle in that department enough already.
There will be secondary apps that do it at some point..... I believe there is one right now that has started to integrate the streaming services (SelectTV). At some point there will be an app that you can log into all of your services through the app and the content will be integrated into that secondary app.
 
This is the problem that Playstation Vue had. That Hulu+Live has. Same with Apple+

People dont realize that either you dont need their hardware to run it or that it is something different than their previous product.

These companies I think sometimes are so stuck on their brand name that they dont realize it confuses people with what the product is. I know Playstation Vue tried unsuccessfully to change this perception, and thought about changing the name, but in the end, closed the service. Hulu+Live had a long running ad campaign to try to change what people perceived it to be. And as I mentioned before a lot of people out there dont realize even what Apple+ is or how to get it. A lot of people still think you have to have Apple hardware to use it.
Hulu has their own hardware? Never knew that. We have it through fire stick/box.
 
There will be secondary apps that do it at some point..... I believe there is one right now that has started to integrate the streaming services (SelectTV). At some point there will be an app that you can log into all of your services through the app and the content will be integrated into that secondary app.

Google TV tries to do some integration showing stuff from all the services. The home screen will show a bunch of different stuff from the different providers. But its still clearly not fully baked, and ultimately you're still switching between different apps and dealing with that lag time every time you'd want to 'change the channel'.

I'd guess part of the solution probably comes with the devices people use gaining more processing power so that these apps can be running concurrently, so you can switch between them as easily as you switch between apps on your phone (which google tv basically is, given its built on Android). Most devices are still pretty lacking in processing power and memory storage
 
Where is that from? When I go to hulu and look it up this is what is on their site

Hulu + Live TV plans



Edit: @Gonzo it looks like from the attached post and the current post....when they made ESPN+ and Disney+ a permanent inclusion it raised the price $1.

 
Hulu has their own hardware? Never knew that. We have it through fire stick/box.
No, hulu has had the problem that people didnt understand that Hulu and Hulu+Live were 2 different things.
Playstation vue people thought you had to have a Playstation to use it.

Apple+ people both dont realize you dont have to have an Apple device and dont realize it is different than AppleTV.
 
Im confused....information you posted is different than mine...and the link you provided shows the information I provided. That the only LiveTV options are with adds or without adds, and both include ESPN+ and Disney+

Edit: Nvm I see the third line. you can get it for $1 less without.
 
If you're wanting to watch college football on a Saturday, are you more reflexively going to open an app or turn your TV to ESPN/Fox/ABC?
Another age based question here. Considering the amount of younger people who have cut the cord, the answer overwhelmingly will be open an app. Now that app could simply be YouTube tv that is just streaming cable but it’s still an app.
 
If you're wanting to watch college football on a Saturday, are you more reflexively going to open an app or turn your TV to ESPN/Fox/ABC?
this. if i am just browsing around looking for a game, i am going to flip through all the channels on Hulu before i open an app.

i found that during thursday night football, i almost immediately hated it because i couldnt channel surf during commercials and halftime without leaving and re-entering the app.
 
If you're wanting to watch college football on a Saturday, are you more reflexively going to open an app or turn your TV to ESPN/Fox/ABC?
Reflexively I'm going to go to Hulu and then Hulu Live because that's where ESPN and ABC and FOX are and that's where I'll find the bulk of CFB games. If I know my game is on Apple or Prime or Peacock, it's not any more complicated to tune those in... turn TV on, it goes to Smartcast home, instead of choosing Hulu toggle to Apple or Prime or Peacock or whatever other streamer I need. The killer for the PAC is that they'll be losing all those millions of potential viewers who aren't specifically hunting for Oregon v. Washington but are instead just surfing the live TV guide for the best game.
 
this. if i am just browsing around looking for a game, i am going to flip through all the channels on Hulu before i open an app.

i found that during thursday night football, i almost immediately hated it because i couldnt channel surf during commercials and halftime without leaving and re-entering the app.
You realize Hulu is an app right?

The channel surfing thing is part personal preference part age related. Most people just pull out their phone during commercials or get up to go do something, bathroom, snacks, simple task, etc
 
this. if i am just browsing around looking for a game, i am going to flip through all the channels on Hulu before i open an app.

i found that during thursday night football, i almost immediately hated it because i couldnt channel surf during commercials and halftime without leaving and re-entering the app.
We'd usually have the living room TV on something, and the TNF game pulled up on the TV in the home office, which is adjacent, kept on mute. If the game is good I'll shut the doors and hit the volume, if it's a snoozer or during commercials or halftime, I'll leave it on but pop over to the living room. Have done the same with CFB games on ESPN+.
 
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You realize Hulu is an app right?

The channel surfing thing is part personal preference part age related. Most people just pull out their phone during commercials or get up to go do something, bathroom, snacks, simple task, etc
I think what people are trying to say is there is a distinction between apps like Hulu+Live, YoutubeTV, SlingTv, Fubo etc. compared to Apple+, Paramount+, Peacock+, or even Netflix or Amazon Prime etc.

The first ones replace peoples Cable/Satellite service, for all their live tv viewing from local channels to Cable channels. The others are add on apps with extra content for a fee, beyond live programming, where you dont go usually for your standard cable/satellite content.
 
I think what people are trying to say is there is a distinction between apps like Hulu+Live, YoutubeTV, SlingTv, Fubo etc. compared to Apple+, Paramount+, Peacock+, or even Netflix or Amazon Prime etc.

The first ones replace peoples Cable/Satellite service, for all their live tv viewing from local channels to Cable channels. The others are add on apps with extra content for a fee, beyond live programming, where you dont go usually for your standard cable/satellite content.
This. For purposes of casual viewing habits, national exposure, etc the cable replacement apps and cable are basically one in the same. I've been on YTTV and I use it basically like the cable I had before. I go right to YTTV and flip through the broadcast networks and sports channels in the guide. I only go looking to the other services when I know they have something I want. Basically ISU and sometimes TNF on Amazon.
 
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Another age based question here. Considering the amount of younger people who have cut the cord, the answer overwhelmingly will be open an app. Now that app could simply be YouTube tv that is just streaming cable but it’s still an app.
I mean, I'm aware. I have a Roku TV where the navigation to anything is an app. The point is that people still reflexively will look at ESPN and Fox, etc. even if they have YouTube TV or whatever.

Younger viewers aren't more likely to watch something simply because its streaming...what they expect is everything to be streaming. But lets not act like they're excited to pay for an additional streaming platform if they don't already have it.
 
This is a talk show based in Utah. Some details they discuss.

ESPN & PAC-12 haven't talked in weeks.
ESPN only putting up 100 million (10 million / school).
There seems to be an impasse regarding PAC-12 network & streaming services.

 
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