QB Under Center
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When KSU went under center in the tightest power formation you've ever seen, it failed to convert on one or two plays (don't recall which), and the Wildcat line was easily superior to our DLine, yet we stopped the under center plays.
When one play -- any play -- doesn't work, it's so easy to angrily shriek that the coaches haven't got a clue. Backbiting after the fact, a loser's game.
Fat butts sitting in the stands, yelling at the coaches as if the coaches don't have a clue how to coach the game . . . pathetic.
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How many times this fall have we seen Joel, from the shotgun, bulldoze his way into the end zone, and we all stood and cheered and looked around at each other with big feces-eating grins and slapping hands and saying, "Yeah, that's the way to do it!"?
Cute? It's our Bread-and-Butter. And it works. We outscored KSU 16-0 4th quarter, we took away momentum from KSU (remember its 150 yards at the 1st quarter mark), we ran for 154 yards, the most given up this fall by KSU (including to Stanford and McCaffrey). Alternating QBs worked! Two successful onside kicks -- each a different type of play!
Our coaches are doing brilliant work with a weak roster in turmoil. Do you not see what they can do two years from now with better players and a seasoned system in place? Are you guys so blind you cannot see the brilliant future shining in your eyes? (Of course, you cannot see the forest because you're fixedly focused on the grass at your feet.)
Even so, on 4th down we had the TD . . . until Park muffed it. Yet you guys argue incessantly about "Under Center" while ignoring the exceptional job the coaches did to get us back in the game and in a position to win.
Little minds. . . .
It seems to me that everyone forgot that ISU was playing against the best rushing defense in the conference (3rd in the nation) on Saturday. Of course you aren't always going to be successful running the ball against that.
Hey! I was standing!
I still think they should have gotten under center for at least one play, especially the 1st down from 12" line. IMO much better shot than trying to add six or seven yards to your run waiting things to develop when they are stacking the box. Also thought the 4th down call was a good one, but would have liked to have seen it on 3rd down instead.
But, we have a powerful clue.
The coaching staff did such a beautiful job getting this team back in the game and truly competing by employing several clever techniques, some of us can extrapolate from that it's likely they knew what they were doing on the one-yard line.
One other thought: How many of us scouted KSU and compiled a scouting report that documented the Wildcats' tendencies and the skills of their players? Hell, how many of us are capable of intellectually breaking down a football opponent and creating such a report in the first place?
And yet, so many of we fans here think we know better. Man. . . .
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Quite A Compelling Argument About Spotting Trends Of Static Analysis.I can't fully be behind this coaching staff until they use a QB under center package. There is absolutely no excuse for not running a Lanning sneak to get a few inches. I don't care if they only use it a handful of times the whole year, it has to be an option.
Two years ago against KSt, the game was changed significantly when Iowa St couldn't pick up short yardage because they refused to go under center and QB sneak it. Two years later, different coaching staff, and different personnel, exact same issue.
Much like some coaches over thinking short yardage situations, you're getting too cute. I'm not even referring to the goal to go situation on Saturday. Teams need a package with the QB under center.
I understand the "process" mentality, and I completely agree, this coaching staff is doing an excellent job building this team towards success. However, of there's time, and mental capacity, to implement a double pass, then there's room for a couple plays with the QB under center.
Ya'll are way over thinking this...
Edit: It is completely possible that there is a under center package, and we just haven't seen it. Maybe since it's apparent Lanning will be more situational, we will see it before the season is over. If so, great, that's progress.
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The highlighted part above is my biggest pet peeve of the goal line situation on Saturday. We're still playing the game of football the last I heard, so why do some "cutting edge" coaches today get so damn cute when it's not needed? I absolutely hate it, and will always believe it cost us a TD on Saturday and possibly a W too.
Probably not many. Takes a ""big mind" to determine if going under center might be an option from the 1/2 yard line. Just once, it might cross up all the "little minds".
So, since the coaches did not do that which you believe was mandatory in that situation, let's clairfy, please. You are saying -- correct? -- that your football knowledge and judgment are superior to theirs.
That's what I hear you saying. Is that right?
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Biggest reason I don't like taking it from 'the gun' on the one yard line is the amount of time for the play develop matters. Even if you run under center you normally wouldn't run a counter or slow developing play, which is my exact problem with shotgun at the goalline. If you can't get an inch, knowing the snap count and the play call then you are not worthy of winning.
You have bad hearing.
I'm just glad our coaches know they have never coached a perfect game. So, there's a chance.......
KSU, then, did not deserve to win because it failed to convert on its under center compact formation in short yardage (was it one or two snaps that iSu stuffed later in the second half?)
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My hearing? Maybe you mean my reading comprehension sucks? That's possible. . . .
No fan, though, shrieking his complaints from the stands, is ever wrong, I assume. "Run from under center, you morons! Even a junior high coach knows to do that! For cryin' out loud."
KSU's DLine was winning the LOS. Everyone figures under center would have worked. There is no proof that is the case. There is proof that Joeldozer has been highly, highly successful blasting into the end zone this season from the shotgun.
demoncore1031
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This is simple..... we line the QB under center and it doesn't work because, well, we are ISU, and then people complain that the coaches tried lining the QB up under center.
I don't know how many would complain if they tried just once. The shot gunners might I suppose...
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Ok you obviously took my post as a personal attack. I was simply adding to the conversation. If you want a personal attack to justify your past action, then yes your ideas are stupid.