Push offs and rebounding

[Sobchakcyclone]

I would say Naz and Niang shot us back in the game. I won't get too hung up on the road games because we won't get the calls plain and simple. They will be destroyed in Ames and Gathers will be fouled out.

That's the kind of attitude that loses conference championships. KU found a way to win there. That essentially puts us down a game in the race. It's poor coaching if Fred can't get the foul situation changed. How many free throws did we shoot in the second half? You play through it or around it, but find a way to win.

 

[EYEoftheSTORM]

That's the kind of attitude that loses conference championships. KU found a way to win there. That essentially puts us down a game in the race. It's poor coaching if Fred can't get the foul situation changed. How many free throws did we shoot in the second half? You play through it or around it, but find a way to win.

Ha , KU will have a lot of fun playing at WV... Ku's guards are underclassmen and will have loads of fun going up against that press.

KU leads because they have had two home games to open conference play and we have played at 2 of our toughest road trips...

Good grief you people are some of the most mentally weak people in this fanbase. Good thing the team didn't have that mentality tonight because that would have been a 25+ Point blowout.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

That's the kind of attitude that loses conference championships. KU found a way to win there. That essentially puts us down a game in the race. It's poor coaching if Fred can't get the foul situation changed. How many free throws did we shoot in the second half? You play through it or around it, but find a way to win.

As a reminder...last year we beat Baylor at Hilton, lost to them (badly) in Waco, were behind the majority of the championship game and won in the last 8-10 minutes. We lost by one point tonight. They will lose at Hilton...I'm fairly certain of that.

I'll match CFH's coaching skills up against yours any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

 

[State43]

That's the kind of attitude that loses conference championships. KU found a way to win there. That essentially puts us down a game in the race. It's poor coaching if Fred can't get the foul situation changed. How many free throws did we shoot in the second half? You play through it or around it, but find a way to win.

Lol I don't expect the team to have the attitude, I am just watching.
And I think people are crazy if they think KU wins in n Morgantown. No way.
We win on Monday and we hold our own destiny. Lose and KU will have a comfortable lead.

 

[allfourcy]

Of course, it isn't just the last play that loses a game, but why can't we get that call on the road though? That was an unfair advantage executed by the dribbler. Wasn't like it was hidden amongst 4 guys battling under the basket. It was right in front of them. Jay Williams knows alot about guard play and his tweet says it all. But I hear ya. Too bad our rebounding puts such added stress on our defense and gives the opponents extra shots. No time to overreact, we're still in this thing. Let's rock Hilton!

Sidenote: Senseless to bet, but I'd wager that KU will actually win in Morgantown. Just think they will, thats all. Mostly because of their length in the frontcourt. Rebounding won't be as big an issue for them. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Thomasrickj]

A big guy like Edozie would've helped box out Gathers. Put him in the game for 20 minutes last night and I bet Baylor would've had maybe 8 offensive boards and we walk out with the W. I'm no basketball expert, but I hope Hoiberg sees something here and gives Edozie some minutes against physical guys like Gathers.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

I thought in watching sections back that the officials really have to be consistent. The hand check foul is much less disruptive at the mid range then someone simple putting the 280 lb frame into your back and simply pushing you out of the way. IMO Baylor was going over the back a lot, the rebound by Motley and tipin with like 1:47 left he didn't even have his face to the basket and was simply trying to clear space for Gaithers. IMO these acts are deliberate by Drew in that he saw that these fouls were not being called and simply told his players to crash the boards at all cost until they get called….

The clear out was a totally blown call again ironically against Iowa State in the closing seconds of a game. If thats Texas or Kansas they get that call.

These last two games we've been beaten up and mugged on the road. I only hope that when we're playing at home, that they call it the way we want the game played. But i won't bet the farm on it.

Still very impressed the way the players fought their way back into the game. We could have easily been blown out in that game and getting Jones and Long shooting confidence will bode well for our future.

Lastly - i would really like to know the strategy going into that play. I'm not sure - but, i think the intent was that George was to dribble and press a gap of two defenders. If they collapse then kick to the shooter for open look. If they don't collapse then continue to the free throw line and shoot. He pressed the gap and it collapsed. However, it looked as if Jones was supposed to drift with him so that he could pass it parallel instead of behind him and Jones simply went to three point line and stopped. That would have been a tough pass in triple coverage. Had he drifted to with george towards the corner, george could have seen that he was wide open and i believe would have made that shot!

Improve on a few more things guys, very impressed with the game and the fight. They're turning the corner and getting better and that will help us when it matters in March instead of January.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

A big guy like Edozie would've helped box out Gathers. Put him in the game for 20 minutes last night and I bet Baylor would've had maybe 8 offensive boards and we walk out with the W. I'm no basketball expert, but I hope Hoiberg sees something here and gives Edozie some minutes against physical guys like Gathers.

We were wondering about that also...similar to the way Booker was used. When Booker went into a physical game, we knew he was going to mix it up and hopefully add some push-back against the maulings under the basket.

 

[RedDog]

I hope Morris does the same exact thing back to Cherry in Hilton for the win.

Or to go up by 20.

 

[blutarsky]

This, this....a dude who makes his living in the paint like that and is built like a linebacker doesn't have a foul. Total BS. I am not saying the lose is on the refs but seriously, give me a break and call an over the back or push off.

Most of Gathers' rebounds were from the weak side where nobody made an effort to box him out. I'm sure he got away with some physicality but ISU doesn't have an equal to his size. He looked like a walking foul because he is two times the size of any of our interior players.

Baylor came ready to play a physical game State looked tired. Rebounding is about effort and Hogue & Co. had an off night.

 

[State43]

A big guy like Edozie would've helped box out Gathers. Put him in the game for 20 minutes last night and I bet Baylor would've had maybe 8 offensive boards and we walk out with the W. I'm no basketball expert, but I hope Hoiberg sees something here and gives Edozie some minutes against physical guys like Gathers.

Against skill teams, Edozie is a liability offensively. Do you remember the last time he got decent minutes? He got the ball stripped about 5-6 times.
Bottom line, McKay is a shot blocker and if he is coming from the backside to block shots, his guy isn't blocked out and in position for a rebound. Combine that with fact our team across the board is smaller than them. Now add on the fact push in the back/over the back calls are not called on the home team. This will add up.

 

[Gunnerclone]

A big guy like Edozie would've helped box out Gathers. Put him in the game for 20 minutes last night and I bet Baylor would've had maybe 8 offensive boards and we walk out with the W. I'm no basketball expert, but I hope Hoiberg sees something here and gives Edozie some minutes against physical guys like Gathers.

Ya don't say.

 

[peteypie]

I found it funny when skinny Mckay apparently ran into Gathers so hard that it knocked him down.:skeptical: I'm sorry, but a truck probably couldn't knock him over if he wasn't flopping.

 

[misskatetx]

Why arent they using Edozie? He needs to get on the court!

 

[CYKOFAN]

I found it funny when skinny Mckay apparently ran into Gathers so hard that it knocked him down.:skeptical: I'm sorry, but a truck probably couldn't knock him over if he wasn't flopping.

That call was especially a joke since Gathers had just belted us twice as hard at the other end. And like somebody said, KU gets a push off call against Cherry ten out of ten times. He wasn't even being crowded and he had to almost completely extend his arm to push Monte. Not too hard to hit a wide open 14 footer if you're allowed to eliminate the defense with a push off.

 

[HFCS]

One of their late shots was so bad it hit the bottom of the rim and deflected right to a standing Baylor player as other were already jumping for a more typical rebound from a shot that typically hits the top of the rim. He could have been boxed out better, but that was also just an unfortunate chance thing on a really bad shot ISU had played some good D to force.

Our D was looking pretty good late, just have to get it that way from the start and keep it up.

 

[Hayes30]

Should have played edozie? Problem is can't play him when we are down 12 because we need offense.

He can dunk or shoot a 10 footer when needed to. They have 4 other scoring treats when he is out there plus one bad *** mother ****ers to go along with those 4 scorers.