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The 625 transfers is record number. Many reasons contributing to growth of transfers (immediate gratification, grad transfers, waivers, etc)
I wonder what the percentage of transfer waivers granted was
Potential Transfers '14
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I wonder what the percentage of transfer waivers granted was
Not sure but here is an interesting site that tracks transfers: http://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2014 They have 646 players listed as transfers, 247 that transferred to another D1 program, 260 that are transferring to a non-D1 program and 139 that are undecided/unaccounted/not playing any more. Goodman fails to note that there are more D1 teams than ever before and that transfer numbers weren't tracked until the last few years. And I see 105 that are graduated players eligible to play at a D1 school immediately, largely because more kids are redshirting and/or taking summer classes to graduate with eligiblity left than before.
While this may be true, if you fail to see the number of D1 transfers increasing even if you go by team basis, you are turning a blind eye.
I'm glad we were in early on this increasing trend of more transfers. It puts us in a position to compete and beat some of the bluebloods in a recruiting battle much easier than recruiting High School players.
Shoot, I'd argue we've been in on the trend well before CFH stepped foot on campus as coach, but not in a good way.
I think the advantage that ISU had in plucking from the transfer pool will be dwindling soon because it seems that more and more elite teams are going to be drawing from that pool soon.
I don't think our advantage is going anywhere. We are at the forefront of the transfer era. And transfers can look at previous transfers we have had and look at the success they've had. That is not changing anytime soon.
If in fact what you say has some merit, then that is better for us anyway. We'll let the elite teams go for transfers, and we'll pick up the 5 star High School kids. Seems like a fair trade.
Not so sure about that. The last couple of transfers we have taken in were being recruited by other elite programs (if I'm not mistaken Kentucky was also going after BDJ). We still have a few things other schools can't provide:
1. Track record of integrating transfers into our system.
2. More opportunity for playing time (think BDJ going to Kentucky and finding playing time on a roster with 9 McD all americans).
3. "Focus town" - chance to focus solely on basketball without any other major distractions (this is especially appealing to players who've had disciplinary issues elsewhere).
4. Style of play - NBA style offense, team that utilizes players to their strengths and showcases their abilities, high scoring, fast paced style of play.
I think we still offer a very good option for transfers, even with elite programs getting more involved due to these factors. We'll see how it all plays out.
While that may be true, I think ISU will always be in serious contention for many top transfers while Fred is here.
We've had a lot of success with them and developed a reputation as trasnfer U.
Most transfers want to play and start immediately. Your odds of doing that are simply better at ISU than competing against 5-stars at KU, UK, Duke, etc.
Is Bill Self going to sit a 5-star to play a transfer? Probably not very often.
Plus there will always be 2nd chance guys like Kane, Royce, Chris Allen, Korie Lucious and BDJ. Duke and KU are not beating down the door for guys that have a little baggage. We will look past those things out of necessity.
Fred Hoiberg is the Transfer Godfather. Hoiberg and Matt Abdelmassih are elite transfer recruiters. ISU will land an "impact transfer" whenever they want even with everybody doing it now.
True but we've had enough success doing it that getting a visit should be pretty easy. Getting the visit is key and our track record is going to lead to some consideration.
Oregon was on the same type of Transfer U trajectory and that sheet just hit the fan. Our fan is pristine.
I would agree. BDJ first thought was Iowa State when a bunch of other big dogs wanted him. So when we are the first thought and our program is only getting better. I assume if BDJ pulls a Kane and goes all big 12 and is a great citizen. We will still be one of the first programs called when a transfer decides to further his abilities
More likely to be the opposite. Scary thought for you, no doubt.
Most if the transfers we have advanced with were not premium types that elite recruiting schools go after. The competition for the level of type of transfer recruits we have excelled with is not going to change. Combine that with more quality transfers hitting the market each year and ISU's attractiveness increasing to recruits overall, and the transfer market should be even more kind in the future.
Let the elites go after more transfers- it won't hamper our transfer recruiting, but it will strengthen our high school recruiting.
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But look at the success transfers that come to ISU have. Also, like others have mentioned Kentucky was interested in BDJ and recruited Royce as well. One quick example of a big transfer going to a blue blood and not really having an impact is Tariq Black. Besides meeting Aaron Rodgers, I wouldn't call his year in Kansas a glowing success. Minutes, points, rebounds, all significantly
It seems like the transfer pool is getting deeper each year as well. Even if the 'elite' schools start going after the quality transfers there seem to be an increasing number of them each year. Another thing to consider is how many schools with a seemingly endless supply of 5* recruits are going to use a scholarship on a guy who has to sit out a year? The graduate transfer is one thing, but if you are a school without many roster spots to burn and talented youngsters lining up to attend I don't see a huge shift to poach the transfer market.
This could get argued either way. Kentucky won't pass on a 5-star kid while choosing to wait for a transfer that might become available to them. However, if a 5 star kid proves to be a bust and they don't have a viable elite option to back him up, they may go after that transfer hard hoping to entice him.
The problem with your elite-programs-theory is that "elite" transfers are looking to get noticed by the NBA, not possibly compete with a bunch of one-and-done 5 star kids. Since the Uk's and KU's of the world have no real reason to fix what's not broken, I can't imagine allocating recruiting resouces much differently than they are now.
IMO, the transfer market has become a little watered down due to the amount of fringe players taking part. It's easier to judge what a transfer will do against other college players because you have footage, but it's much harder to judge if a highly rated high-schooler will exceed the expectations of said transfer. This is where CFH has excelled and this is also (I believe) how he is perceived amongst those looking to transfer.
I would not be surprised that our famous recruit miss from Findlay did not discuss the Clones with him at some point.
So ISU will get MORE good transfers as more good schools begin to hold scholarships open to use to offer to transfers? It's not that elite recruiting schools weren't going after these transfers because they didn't see them as "premium types", it is because they had typically awarded all of their scholarships to recruits and had none left when transfer season opened. Now, it looks like more of the premium recruiting schools could hold a scholly back to use in the transfer market rather than use it on an end of the bench recruit that may very well transfer AWAY from their program after sitting behind premium recruits. If, as some ISU fans have stated on this site, it is hard to recruit against these blue blood programs, wouldn't it also be hard to recruit against these programs for transfers? Dejean-Jones picked Iowa State over Arizona STATE, not Arizona. Kane picked ISU over Pitt, USC, Memphis and St. Mary's, not Duke, Carolina and Kansas. I think more big schools recruiting in the transfer pool might mean less top quality transfers to ISU. We'll see. Some of the big schools may take a while to feel comfortable transitioning into holding that scholly open to see who is available on the transfer market at the end of the year.
So teams like UK and KU don't find themselves in a position where they have a hole in their roster or a weakness that needs to be addressed? Hasn't everyone on this site commented on the PG situation at Kansas over the last 12 months? Maybe if KU didn't already have a scholarship tied up in recruit Frank Mason, a bottom of the Top 100 recruit that wasn't expected to be a major contributor Year One, they could have made a run at landing Deandre Kane, a PG option who absoluteley WOULD have been a huge contributor Year One. That's my point. I think these bigger schools are going to start looking at what they are getting with that last scholarship and what they could have gotten instead and start holding back a scholarship for transfer season. Do you think that Kane would have considered attending Kansas if they went after him?