Positive *Informative* Covid News

[MustardTiger]

This has been stated over and over and over again but those things can be alleviated and don't kill like Covid does.

I've had AWFUL bouts with strep but had antibiotics within a day.

It's alarming now because the information is widely available about what Covid can do compared to those other things and we're in the very beginning stages of finding out therapies etc..

I was talking about kids, and how hard it is for them to recover. Every year NICU's and PICU's fill with kids with RSV/Influenza etc.. 3 million kids a year are hospitalized with RSV and 60,000 die. To you and me its a bad cold. So we go to work. And spread it to people with families.

 

[MustardTiger]

Yeah our country is pretty bad at this. Hopefully the expanded work from home will continue and people will be able to stay home when sick in the future while still being able to work if they feel well enough.

This. If you're sick, stay home regardless of COVID. Don't bring your **** to work and give it to people with families.

 

[clonedude]

Unless Covid turns less effective (which from what I understand is the case for most coronaviruses) I don't see how we really get back to normalcy without a vaccine.

Obviously a vaccine is needed, but a good 30-40% of the population have said they won’t take it.

If you could take a saliva test every night before bed, and have results when you woke up, that would be HUGE!

What if restaurants, bars, work places, theaters, concerts, grocery stores, sporting venues, churches, etc all required you to show your morning test results before letting you in? We’d be safe to live our lives again.

 

[BCClone]

I was talking about kids, and how hard it is for them to recover. Every year NICU's and PICU's fill with kids with RSV/Influenza etc.. 3 million kids a year are hospitalized with RSV and 60,000 die. To you and me its a bad cold. So we go to work. And spread it to people with families.

60k kids die from flu and RSV? I had never heard the number, didn't realize it was so high. That competes with the COVID numbers right there when you consider the percent of population that would be in that group.

 

[BCClone]

Obviously a vaccine is needed, but a good 30-40% of the population (mostly Trumpers), have said they won’t take it.

If you could take a saliva test every night before bed, and have results when you woke up, that would be HUGE!

What if restaurants, bars, work places, theaters, concerts, grocery stores, sporting venues, churches, etc all required you to show your morning test results before letting you in? We’d be safe to live our lives again.

Actually that is backwards from the people that I've been around. The people not wearing masks are usually the ones who say they will just get a vaccine from what I've experienced. If they produce a vaccine in the next 1-2 months, would you get it? I will if it doesn't come from China, I don't trust that country one bit at all. The ones who are more concerned about mask wearing, even outside and with social distancing, are the ones that generally tell me they don't trust the government finding a COVID vaccine and thinks they are more likely to die from it than from not having it.

 

[cycloneG]

I was talking about kids, and how hard it is for them to recover. Every year NICU's and PICU's fill with kids with RSV/Influenza etc.. 3 million kids a year are hospitalized with RSV and 60,000 die. To you and me its a bad cold. So we go to work. And spread it to people with families.

RSV pneumonia is responsible for an average of 80,000 pediatric hospitalizations and 500 deaths every year.

Viral Pneumonia: Practice Essentials, Background, Pathophysiology

Viruses account for the largest proportion of childhood pneumonia. Viral pneumonia decreases in frequency in healthy young and middle-aged adults, but it then increases substantially among the elderly.

www.medscape.com

While relatively rare, some children die from flu each year. Since 2004-2005, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons have ranged from 37 to 187 deaths.

Children & Influenza (Flu)

Children younger than 5 years old are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

www.cdc.gov

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[kcbob79clone]

One issue with this has been that Covid symptoms has changed a lot and is getting longer as we learn more. Fever is the main one obviously but it can get confusing at times.

Plus the long list of symptoms common to colds and flu means that we will probably never know the true number of coronavirus cases. This is from memory but I remember reading a Stanford study on antibodies in March or April somewhere in California. Based on the sample size it was estimated one county had 80,000 cases of catching and curing the disease that was mostly unreported. That led them to conclude there was a similar situation across the country. So people thinking they had the flu or a cold and pushed through not knowing then it could have been coronavirus.

 

[cycloneG]

60k kids die from flu and RSV? I had never heard the number, didn't realize it was so high. That competes with the COVID numbers right there when you consider the percent of population that would be in that group.

I'm not certain where the 60k number came from but it's a couple orders of magnitude off.

 

[BCClone]

RSV pneumonia is responsible for an average of 80,000 pediatric hospitalizations and 500 deaths every year.

Viral Pneumonia: Practice Essentials, Background, Pathophysiology

Viruses account for the largest proportion of childhood pneumonia. Viral pneumonia decreases in frequency in healthy young and middle-aged adults, but it then increases substantially among the elderly.

www.medscape.com

While relatively rare, some children die from flu each year. Since 2004-2005, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons have ranged from 37 to 187 deaths.

Children & Influenza (Flu)

Children younger than 5 years old are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

www.cdc.gov

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I read this in the link you posted, whoa 11-78%, now there is a broad range.

In adults, RSV pneumonia is associated with a mortality rate ranging from 11-78%, depending on the severity of underlying immune suppression. In long-term care facilities, 5-27% of respiratory tract infections have been estimated to be caused by RSV, 10% of which will develop into pneumonia and 1-5% of which will be fatal

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[LancelotClone]

60k kids die from flu and RSV? I had never heard the number, didn't realize it was so high. That competes with the COVID numbers right there when you consider the percent of population that would be in that group.

I believe those are worldwide RSV estimates, and the majority of deaths are from undeveloped countries.

 

[cycloneG]

I believe those are worldwide RSV estimates, and the majority of deaths are from undeveloped countries.

That makes way more sense.

 

[Cyientist]

Yeah our country is pretty bad at this. Hopefully the expanded work from home will continue and people will be able to stay home when sick in the future while still being able to work if they feel well enough.

Hopefully we learn from covid and start doing this. Especially since many jobs figured out how to wfh. Don't make someone burn limited PTO, but allow them to do their work remotely until they aren't contagious. Remove the stigma of someone is trying to get out of working, but instead start thinking that they are trying to keep co-workers healthy.

Our blue collar mentality leads us to think that the person that toughs it out (and likely spreads disease) is more valuable than the person that realizes they are sick and stays home to not be a detriment to others.

It is probably optimistic, but I think we will start seeing deaths due to the annual flu start to decrease with society's increased awareness of public health. I for one never get the flu shot because I'm not high risk and haven't actually came down with it before. I never thought of myself as being a vector to someone who could be high risk though.

 

[BCClone]

Hopefully we learn from covid and start doing this. Especially since many jobs figured out how to wfh. Don't make someone burn limited PTO, but allow them to do their work remotely until they aren't contagious. Remove the stigma of someone is trying to get out of working, but instead start thinking that they are trying to keep co-workers healthy.

Our blue collar mentality leads us to think that the person that toughs it out (and likely spreads disease) is more valuable than the person that realizes they are sick and stays home to not be a detriment to others.

It is probably optimistic, but I think we will start seeing deaths due to the annual flu start to decrease with society's increased awareness of public health. I for one never get the flu shot because I'm not high risk and haven't actually came down with it before. I never thought of myself as being a vector to someone who could be high risk though.

I've had the flu shot twice in my life. Both times I got bronchitis within a two weeks of the shot. Not supposed to cause it, but like hell if I'm willing to deal with that crap every year whether it does or doesn't.

 

[clonedude]

Hopefully we learn from covid and start doing this. Especially since many jobs figured out how to wfh. Don't make someone burn limited PTO, but allow them to do their work remotely until they aren't contagious. Remove the stigma of someone is trying to get out of working, but instead start thinking that they are trying to keep co-workers healthy.

Our blue collar mentality leads us to think that the person that toughs it out (and likely spreads disease) is more valuable than the person that realizes they are sick and stays home to not be a detriment to others.

It is probably optimistic, but I think we will start seeing deaths due to the annual flu start to decrease with society's increased awareness of public health. I for one never get the flu shot because I'm not high risk and haven't actually came down with it before. I never thought of myself as being a vector to someone who could be high risk though.

Your online name is Cyientist, but you’ve never gotten the flu shot before? Interesting.

 

[cygrads]

Obviously a vaccine is needed, but a good 30-40% of the population (mostly Trumpers), have said they won’t take it.

If you could take a saliva test every night before bed, and have results when you woke up, that would be HUGE!

What if restaurants, bars, work places, theaters, concerts, grocery stores, sporting venues, churches, etc all required you to show your morning test results before letting you in? We’d be safe to live our lives again.

I've really enjoyed this thread because of the info and lack of politics - there are plenty of threads you can post in please don't ruin this one.

 

[CtownCyclone]

Hopefully we learn from covid and start doing this. Especially since many jobs figured out how to wfh. Don't make someone burn limited PTO, but allow them to do their work remotely until they aren't contagious. Remove the stigma of someone is trying to get out of working, but instead start thinking that they are trying to keep co-workers healthy.

Our blue collar mentality leads us to think that the person that toughs it out (and likely spreads disease) is more valuable than the person that realizes they are sick and stays home to not be a detriment to others.

It is probably optimistic, but I think we will start seeing deaths due to the annual flu start to decrease with society's increased awareness of public health. I for one never get the flu shot because I'm not high risk and haven't actually came down with it before. I never thought of myself as being a vector to someone who could be high risk though.

My company is most likely going to continue the WFH activities when this is over. I think they realized that with the tools we have today, there are many jobs that don't need you to be in the office every day. That's good and bad, though, as I do miss the social interaction with coworkers.

As far as the flu shot goes, I guess I'm the opposite from you. I always get it, except for 2 times that I didn't (for various reasons). Those 2 years, I got the flu. Do not recommend.

 

[Cyientist]

Your online name is Cyientist, but you’ve never gotten the flu shot before? Interesting.

And I have a vehicle that isn't fuel efficient, but I like its accommodations. Humans right?

 

[boone7247]

Interesting twitter thread and link to study on asymptomatic spread.
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The WHO is still stating herd immunity is not possible until 70% of the population has been infected.

The first data glitch in Iowa was causing the positivity rate to be inaccurately low which is the metric used to determine if schools should be online.

The current major driver of the spread is by asymptomatic carriers.

cycloneG please see the above post for why your last statement is wrong. Testing is starting to show asymptomatic carriers, rarely infect.

 

[clonedude]

I've really enjoyed this thread because of the info and lack of politics - there are plenty of threads you can post in please don't ruin this one.

I’ll take the political part out then if it offends people.

I’m just trying to say how important testing is going to be.... possibly even more important than a vaccine in my mind.

 

[cycloneG]

cycloneG please see the above post for why your last statement is wrong. Testing is starting to show asymptomatic carriers, rarely infect.

Asymptomatic spread linked to hundreds of coronavirus cases in DC

Analysis of contact tracing cases in the District shows many new infections never encountered someone with symptoms.

www.wusa9.com

The coronavirus pandemic is being driven by people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s who don't know they're infected, according to WHO

"People in their 20s, 30s, and 40s are increasingly driving the spread. Many are unaware they are infected," a WHO official said.

www.businessinsider.com