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clone52 said:
so if we take last year's CFP rankings and the new conferences.

5 top ranked teams
Michigan - Big 10
Texas - SEC
Florida State - ACC
Arizona - Big 12
Oregon State - Whatever conference they are in.

7 at larges (all Big 10/SEC)
Washington
Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Oregon
Missouri
Penn State.

In 2022, it would be like this.
Georgia - SEC
Michigan - Big 10
TCU - Big 12
Clemson - ACC
Oregon State - whatever conference they are in

7 at larges (3 Big 10, 2 SEC, 2 Big 12)
Ohio State
Alabama
Tennessee
Utah
Kansas State
USC
Penn State

In 2021.
Alabama - SEC
Michigan - Big 12
Cincinnati - Big 10
Notre Dame - ACC
Louisiana - whatever conference they are in

7 at larges (2 SEC, 2 Big 10, 3 Big 12)
Georgia
Ohio State
Baylor
Ole Miss
Okie State
Michigan State
Utah

The key thing for Iowa State was that the top 4 or 5 conferences get an auto build. Gives Iowa State a possible path to the playoffs.
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I haven't taken the time to vet all of this but on first blush you have the conference autobids wrong. It is the 5 highest conference champions who get the autobid not the highest ranked team in each conference. So in 2022 K State (Big 12 Champs) gets the Big 12 slot and TCU has to come in as an at large. That matters because only the top 4 ranked conference champions are eligible for the 4 byes.

So anyone who says that teams will have players sitting for the conference championship because they are already in the playoffs are way off base. They are playing for the conference championship and likely a first round bye in the playoff.

It made me chuckle that you had Michigan in the Big 12 in 2021. :p
 
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Unlike the NCAA Men's Basketball tournament (where try to avoid teams from the same conference playing in the round of 64/32) this format doesn't account for it.

So the committee will continually "move the goalposts" so a Big 12 team plays another Big 12 team (or G5 team) right away, to eliminate each other so all that left is Big 10/ SEC teams.

 
VeloClone said:
I haven't taken the time to vet all of this but on first blush you have the conference autobids wrong. It is the 5 highest conference champions who get the autobid not the highest ranked team in each conference. So in 2022 K State (Big 12 Champs) gets the Big 12 slot and TCU has to come in as an at large. That matters because only the top 4 ranked conference champions are eligible for the 4 byes.

So anyone who says that teams will have players sitting for the conference championship because they are already in the playoffs are way off base. They are playing for the conference championship and likely a first round bye in the playoff.

It made me chuckle that you had Michigan in the Big 12 in 2021. :p
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Good call on the champions.

And obviously the rankings would be different due to the different schedules.
 
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Daserop said:
Unlike the NCAA Men's Basketball tournament (where try to avoid teams from the same conference playing in the round of 64/32) this format doesn't account for it.

So the committee will continually "move the goalposts" so a Big 12 team plays another Big 12 team (or G5 team) right away, to eliminate each other so all that left is Big 10/ SEC teams.

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Flip side, they won't place non-Big Ten/SEC teams against each other because it guarantees that one advances.
 
Daserop said:
Unlike the NCAA Men's Basketball tournament (where try to avoid teams from the same conference playing in the round of 64/32) this format doesn't account for it.

So the committee will continually "move the goalposts" so a Big 12 team plays another Big 12 team (or G5 team) right away, to eliminate each other so all that left is Big 10/ SEC teams.

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Get your tin foil hat :)

If there was a conspiracy, they would make sure the best SEC/Big10 teams ALWAYS play the teams from the other conferences so that all of the lower teams are eliminated as soon possible.

Plus, if there are ever 2 Big 12 teams, its likely that one of them gets a bye.
 
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clone52 said:
Get your tin foil hat :)

If there was a conspiracy, they would make sure the best SEC/Big10 teams ALWAYS play the teams from the other conferences so that all of the lower teams are eliminated as soon possible.

Plus, if there are ever 2 Big 12 teams, its likely that one of them gets a bye.
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If you read the rules you would know that it’s not likely but practically guaranteed every year
 
FriendlySpartan said:
If you read the rules you would know that it’s not likely but practically guaranteed every year
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Right. Odds are that the Big 12 always gets a bye, but an undefeated team in another conference could jump them, especially if the parity of the Big 12 causes them to eat their own. Would a 10-3 Big 12 conference champ be higher ranked than a 13-0 AAC or MWC champ?
 
clone52 said:
Right. Odds are that the Big 12 always gets a bye, but an undefeated team in another conference could jump them, especially if the parity of the Big 12 causes them to eat their own. Would a 10-3 Big 12 conference champ be higher ranked than a 13-0 AAC or MWC champ?
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Yes because it’s the G5, they never get any respect nor really should they with their schedules
 
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Cincinnati did sneak in there that one year, so its possible. I think it'd take an undefeated G5 team who at least played a decent schedule and a 3 loss Big 12 champion in a down year to even think about it.

If Washington State ran the table next year, they'd have wins over Texas Tech and Washignton. If Tech and Washington happened to be Top 25 teams, Wazzou could easily jump over a 3 loss Big 12 champion.
 
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VeloClone said:
14 seems like a really arbitrary number. So the top two teams get byes and everyone else plays one more game? Either stay at 12 or go to 16 and nobody gets a bye, just a home game. Why are we talking about this before we even implement 12? Why didn't they just go to 16 to begin with?

So dumb.
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Cause they only want the SEC and Big10 champs to get the byes. And they can then get two more SEC and Big10 schools into the playoffs.
 
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Cyclonscin said:
I think that's optimistic. Sure, there will be years where the Big XII gets 2 teams in, but I suspect it'll only be the conference champ more often than not.
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I doubt that. With the 16 team conference there could be a lot of years where we have 3 teams with 0-2 losses. That’s part of how the B1G and SEC really ran away with the deals. They had teams like Iowa go undefeated until the championship game because they usually didn’t have to play the toughest teams in conference. Winning P5 games moves you up the rankings.
 
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I doubt that. With the 16 team conference there could be a lot of years where we have 3 teams with 0-2 losses. That’s part of how the B1G and SEC really ran away with the deals. They had teams like Iowa go undefeated until the championship game because they usually didn’t have to play the toughest teams in conference. Winning P5 games moves you up the rankings.
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They got those deals because 5 million people will watch Ohio State play Indiana and another 4 million watch Michigan play Rutgers on the same day. Nothing to do with Iowa or Purdue or the list goes on and on.

A few of their brands made that deal what is what was. The wins and loss records or quality of play had nothing to do with it.
 
VeloClone said:
He says that a case can be made that 8-4 in the SEC > 11-1 in the Big12/ACC.

What a bunch of homers.
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He works for ESPN but is more known for his affiliation with the ACC. There is no homerism. He’s on our side.
 
VeloClone said:
He says that a case can be made that 8-4 in the SEC > 11-1 in the Big12/ACC.

What a bunch of homers.
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The thing is he's right. ESPN and Fox are now 100% SEC and Big10 propagandists. I would argue that not only 'could' this case be made, I would say those 2 networks WILL make that case with 100% certainty whether it's true or not. They are not here for objectivity, they are trying to add value to thier investment and college football inventory.

They do not care about the rest of college football at all, regardless of what they claim.
 
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