OU would roll the hawkeyes

[AdamJGray]

Oh its this same argument again. Surprise surprise.

Feel free to rinse , lather and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

New material guys. Try it.

My point is this, it's a lot easier to win ONE game against a good opponent than it is to win 4 out of 5. It's really hard to rebound after a physical game against a good team and go back at it again the next week. Iowa hasn't had to do that. That's why most fans from other conferences don't take the Hawks serious and why every analytics out there has Iowa outside the top 10.

 

[VeloClone]

Agreed.

Here is how the conversation went.

ISU fan #1: Not playing a top 15 team until December would be (lucky).
Iowa fan: Check Northwestern's ranking.
ISU fan #2: Look at their 114th total offensive ranking.... they must be really good.

The poster clearly cherry picked a single stat ranking to imply a team isn't good. I think I made a pretty clear point that doing so looks pretty stupid. Any Iowa fan trying to say Baylor isn't good solely based off their 44th ranked defense or TCU with their 71st ranked defense would be equally stupid.

I don't think you should jump to conclusions based on one stat, however to say that drawing a conclusion of bad from a 66 or 67 ranking (current total D ranking for BU and TCU) would be much more dumb than drawing a conclusion of bad off of a 114 ranking (current total O ranking for NW out of 127 teams - that is bottom 15!) There is a huge difference between roughly 50th percentile and roughly 10th percentile.

 

[CyFan03]

I'm not going to debate with you over where MSU would be in the Big 12, as that wasn't my point, and we'd never agree for obvious reasons.

My point is this: Imagine if Iowa played a team of Michigan State's caliber 4 out of 5 weeks during the regular season. Because that is what ISU does. TCU, Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU. Combined record is 45-15. Things would look a little different, correct?

Instead Iowa got to play Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Nebraska. Combined record? 21-39.

Remember, these are hok fans you are dealing with. Don't use such big words, and type slower. That seems to help.

 

[bolts]

My point is this, it's a lot easier to win ONE game against a good opponent than it is to win 4 out of 5. It's really hard to rebound after a physical game against a good team and go back at it again the next week. Iowa hasn't had to do that. That's why most fans from other conferences don't take the Hawks serious and why every analytics out there has Iowa outside the top 10.

So was there tough opponent that beat you down before Toledo and Iowa?

Bad teams lose to good teams. Blaming your schedule for your crappy record this year or any of the other 100 years is silly.

Expected here yet silly.

 

[bolts]

Remember, these are hok fans you are dealing with. Don't use such big words, and type slower. That seems to help.

Street cred.

 

[CyJack13]

My point is this, it's a lot easier to win ONE game against a good opponent than it is to win 4 out of 5. It's really hard to rebound after a physical game against a good team and go back at it again the next week. Iowa hasn't had to do that. That's why most fans from other conferences don't take the Hawks serious and why every analytics out there has Iowa outside the top 10.

Iowa is 7th in the Massey Composite rankings, there's plenty of ranking systems that have them in the top 10. They do have the highest standard deviation of any of the top ten teams though and have the lowest single rating of any top ten team as they are 33rd in one system.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

[AdamJGray]

So was there tough opponent that beat you down before Toledo and Iowa?

Bad teams lose to good teams. Blaming your schedule for your crappy record this year or any of the other 100 years is silly.

Expected here yet silly.

I'm not. I've been on record as saying we should have won 6 games despite the tough schedule. We stunk and lost games we shouldn't have.

My point isn't about ISU's schedule. It's about Iowa's. Iowa fans are upset about the lack of respect nationally. I'm posting out actual reasons why people nationally don't view Iowa as a top 10 team.

 

[CyTwins]

So was there tough opponent that beat you down before Toledo and Iowa?

Bad teams lose to good teams. Blaming your schedule for your crappy record this year or any of the other 100 years is silly.

Expected here yet silly.

Do you think Iowa is undefeated with ISU's schedule? I'll hang up and listen

 

[AdamJGray]

Iowa is 7th in the Massey Composite rankings, there's plenty of ranking systems that have them in the top 10. They do have the highest standard deviation of any of the top ten teams though and have the lowest single rating of any top ten team as they are 33rd in one system.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Thanks, I'd been looking at different rankings and hadn't gotten to Massey yet.

Most of the ones I've seen have them 14-18 with FPI being the outlier at 26.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Yes.

Signed,
Texas

Hopefully we get the chance to find out. I know you (and the rest of America) would be excited to watch two storied, blueblood programs like Oklahoma and Iowa slug it out for a spot in the National Championship.

Do blueblood programs usually take five years off between being ranked?

 

[bolts]

I'm not. I've been on record as saying we should have won 6 games despite the tough schedule. We stunk and lost games we shouldn't have.

My point isn't about ISU's schedule. It's about Iowa's. Iowa fans are upset about the lack of respect nationally. I'm posting out actual reasons why people nationally don't view Iowa as a top 10 team.

Two teams are undefeated. That is all that matters.

Oklahoma found a way to get whipped up on by a terrible Texas team. Going undefeated is harder than finding excuses why they are undefeated. The Iowa fans who are upset about Iowa getting no respect are the same age/intellect as people who use the term "street cred" or write terrible articles about respect.

There isn't a person alive who had Iowa 12-0 after last year. I sure as hell didn't. I will take whatever comes and remember this fondly.

Watching this board repeat the same lines and radio talking points is fun to watch. Its a spot where many here know isu will never be and seeing Iowa there eats your soul.

 

[CyFan03]

bolts[/B][/B];4962588]Street cred.

bolts[/B][/B];4962674]Two teams are undefeated. That is all that matters.

Oklahoma found a way to get whipped up on by a terrible Texas team. Going undefeated is harder than finding excuses why they are undefeated. The Iowa fans who are upset about Iowa getting no respect are the same age/intellect as people who use the term "street cred" or write terrible articles about respect.

There isn't a person alive who had Iowa 12-0 after last year. I sure as hell didn't. I will take whatever comes and remember this fondly.

Watching this board repeat the same lines and radio talking points is fun to watch. Its a spot where many here know isu will never be and seeing Iowa there eats your soul.

Did you just make fun of yourself?

 

[AmesHawk]

Do blueblood programs usually take five years off between being ranked?

Why yes, even the other team you didn't highlight has. A whopping six seasons in fact, 1994-1999. I know you have been looking forward to use this question since you deleted it shortly after posting it yesterday.

The fact that you didn't pick up on my sarcasm from implying Iowa is a blueblood program says a lot though.

 

[Doc]

I like this whole "you guys are little people with terrible lives" bent our resident hawk fans have been on the last few weeks.

 

[CyFan61]

Do you think Iowa is undefeated with ISU's schedule? I'll hang up and listen

Prepare for no one to seriously answer this question and either ignore it, dismiss it as irrelevant, or pretend to be serious in saying Iowa would go 16-0 in the NFL.

 

[CyFan61]

Shocking news from the current Sagarin rankings:

Iowa State, with Iowa's schedule, would be expected to go 6-5.

Iowa, with Iowa State's schedule, would be expected to go 6-5.

Add in the Cy-Hawk game and you have 7-5 Iowa in the Big 12 and 6-6 Iowa State in the B1G.

 

[bolts]

Did you just make fun of yourself?

You got me, grew up on the tough streets of Iowa.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Why yes, even the other team you didn't highlight has. A whopping six seasons in fact, 1994-1999. I know you have been looking forward to use this question since you deleted it shortly after posting it yesterday.

The fact that you didn't pick up on my sarcasm from implying Iowa is a blueblood program says a lot though.

That it does. With so many new trolls popping up here the past few weeks to tell us what an elite program Iowa has become, you know, after a four-year stretch where they were 26-25 even in a down period for the conference, and yesterday when those trolls were here talking about how Iowa is a top 15-30 program all-time, I thought, if there is a fanbase dumb and arrogant enough to actually think they were a blueblood in football given the past five years, it might be Iowa's. So I figured I would ask just in case you were.

 

[bolts]

Prepare for no one to seriously answer this question and either ignore it, dismiss it as irrelevant, or pretend to be serious in saying Iowa would go 16-0 in the NFL.

Sure why not.
Haven't lost so far this year. Isu beat Texas who beat Oklahoma. Hell isu should have beat OK state. How tough is the big 12 really?

 

[Doc]

Sure why not.
Haven't lost so far this year. Isu beat Texas who beat Oklahoma. Hell isu should have beat OK state. How tough is the big 12 really?

Damn guys, he got us good with the transitive property.