Official Missouri Post Game Thread

[BigBake]

Rebounding:

I'm absolutely certain Mac understands it and teaches the players to rebound and how to rebound effectively. Rebounding is something I'm sure he's got a very good grasp of as does about 90% of other coaches.

BUT...I watch as our players don't box out, reach for balls but don't dive, stand flat footed as the ball bounces off the rim.

That's my frustration and also the reason I scratch my head. Why don't they rebound? I'm sure they work on it.

 

[cyclonez7]

Fire Gmac, he missed open shots, committed stupid turnovers, and struggled to rebound.

Well, the fact that the team has struggled with these things repeatedly over the entire course of the season is not the players' fault. The coach is supposed to notice these things and fix them, so obviously GMac isn't doing something right. Sure you can blame a player for a few missed shots and turnovers here and there, but when it happens over and over again like we've seen with this team and the teams from the past 3 years, how can you not blame the coach???

 

[IcSyU]

I guess I'm not seeing how the rebounding was that bad? We were damn near even with them on the boards, and we took more shots offensively for them to rebound defensively. Our rebounding has been MUCH improved over the last few weeks.

 

[louienad25]

And a lot of coaches have made that jump and excelled.

I think your twisting his words on the second point.

I'm not making "excuses". I still don't see a tangible reason why he is failing.

Well let's look....First he does nothing to retain any players from the previous coach. Second, he recruits a scorer with off the court issues. You realize that Jake at UNI had people following O'Rear around last year after his arrest, LE had people following Tinsley to keep him out of trouble. How does he not do that with Mike Taylor, but he didn't so he kicked him off the team.

The WJ situation. If the kid, who was called the face of the program by the coach, and a great teammate by the other players, was completely happy, do you think he would have left??? Add the fact that we just had a second player leave with Mac having no idea, well that speaks to a bigger problem.

He has recruited NO guards, though Colvin may pan out. So that would be TWO in four years. He played walk on seniors at the expense of young players needing experience.

He over coaches, micromanages players in an athlete's conference.

There is a start for you.

Next excuse

 

[BigBake]

I guess I'm not seeing how the rebounding was that bad? We were damn near even with them on the boards, and we took more shots offensively for them to rebound defensively. Our rebounding has been MUCH improved over the last few weeks.

Mizzou got second chance after second chance.

1. Gilsrap just stood and watched as the ball dropped and never even went towards the ball. You always keep moving towards the ball to try.

2. CC not putting a body on someone. He just turned and watched the shot and hoped the shot fell to him. You always put a body on the nearest guy and make sure he can't get around you and if the ball drops in front of you it's yours.

 

[IcSyU]

Um, we got second chance after second chance. You aren't going to get every rebound. It isn't going to happen. Each team essentially had 1 offensive board every 4 shots (Iowa State: 16 on 64 shots, Missouri 15 on 58 shots).

 

[louienad25]

When did I say I wanted to continue on this path?

Yes, that team still vastly underachieved and we shouldn't have been in a position of only having 6 players. (with Skogs coming off the bench)

You should at least know what you are talking about before you insult them.

That team was Homan, Staple, and Clark up front (after George was kicked off the team, and Faulkner was declared ineligible). Stinson, Blaylock, and Carr in the back court.

Gee look losing two key contributers, and that group managed to pull itself together.

I guess Bawbie, you think that we fired Wayne Morgan too soon also, just like Bake, huh?

 

[BigBake]

He has recruited NO guards, though Colvin may pan out. So that would be TWO in four years. He played walk on seniors at the expense of young players needing experience.

He over coaches, micromanages players in an athlete's conference.

There is a start for you.

Next excuse

I see no reason for this year's failings. (clarified for you)

DG was a recruited guard who is not playing to potential.

He over coaches? Really, haven't heard ANYONE accuse him of over coaching. That's actually a new one.

 

[bawbie]

I guess Bawbie, you think that we fired Wayne Morgan too soon also, just like Bake, huh?

Wayne Morgan has nothing to do with the current situation, why do you keep bringing him up?

The fact that Morgan hasn't coached a single game since he was fired from here makes it really hard to regret that decision.

 

[kingcy]

Well let's look....First he does nothing to retain any players from the previous coach. Second, he recruits a scorer with off the court issues. You realize that Jake at UNI had people following O'Rear around last year after his arrest, LE had people following Tinsley to keep him out of trouble. How does he not do that with Mike Taylor, but he didn't so he kicked him off the team.

The WJ situation. If the kid, who was called the face of the program by the coach, and a great teammate by the other players, was completely happy, do you think he would have left??? Add the fact that we just had a second player leave with Mac having no idea, well that speaks to a bigger problem.

He has recruited NO guards, though Colvin may pan out. So that would be TWO in four years. He played walk on seniors at the expense of young players needing experience.

He over coaches, micromanages players in an athlete's conference.

There is a start for you.

Next excuse

Let me get this straight. Me micromanages players yet he doesnt feel the need to follow them around when they may get into trouble. If he was such a micromanager wouldnt he know what was going on with Wes? I think many feel there was shady dealings going on with Wes. He over coaches yet he lets the team play through rough times and doenst use his time outs. If he over coached wouldnt he be out of TOs before half? If he over coached so much wouldnt be pull players out after every **** up?

 

[louienad25]

I see no reason for this year's failings. (clarified for you)

DG was a recruited guard who is not playing to potential.

He over coaches? Really, haven't heard ANYONE accuse him of over coaching. That's actually a new one.

Wow, I don't know what to say....Part of the reason this team always seems to be out of position is because he is constantly barking directions at them. They try to listen too hard, and get lost.

He had tape boxes in the corners at Hilton to show Lucca where to go during games. Yes he micromanages, and over coaches like crazy.

 

[CYdTracked]

Ryan from Ames on the call-in show tonight = LOL! "Dorr should be playing more instead of Hamilton or Brackins on a game to game situation, he played better than anyone tonight." "Hamilton is terrible, he can't rebound at all." Chris tells him Ham had 11 boards tonight "well he should have had 20!" Thanks for the laugh tonight, call back again soon!

 

[louienad25]

Wayne Morgan has nothing to do with the current situation, why do you keep bringing him up?

The fact that Morgan hasn't coached a single game since he was fired from here makes it really hard to regret that decision.

Because your defense for McD and how bad these four years have been, is that we need stability. Well if that is the case then there is no way that you think that Morgan wasn't fired prematurely.

 

[kingcy]

You should at least know what you are talking about before you insult them.

That team was Homan, Staple, and Clark up front (after George was kicked off the team, and Faulkner was declared ineligible). Stinson, Blaylock, and Carr in the back court.

Gee look losing two key contributers, and that group managed to pull itself together.

I guess Bawbie, you think that we fired Wayne Morgan too soon also, just like Bake, huh?

George and Faulker really? They averaged 12 mins a game and a total of 5 pts and 3 rebounds. Homan was the reason that team did so good and it also had good guard play.

 

[kingcy]

Ryan from Ames on the call-in show tonight = LOL! "Dorr should be playing more instead of Hamilton or Brackins on a game to game situation, he played better than anyone tonight." "Hamilton is terrible, he can't rebound at all." Chris tells him Ham had 11 boards tonight "well he should have had 20!" Thanks for the laugh tonight, call back again soon!

I thought Ham played one of his better games.

 

[BigBake]

You should at least know what you are talking about before you insult them.

That team was Homan, Staple, and Clark up front (after George was kicked off the team, and Faulkner was declared ineligible). Stinson, Blaylock, and Carr in the back court.

Gee look losing two key contributers, and that group managed to pull itself together.

I guess Bawbie, you think that we fired Wayne Morgan too soon also, just like Bake, huh?

We had two NBA guards on our team (yes, they get drafted if they stick around for senior year). Darn well better make the tourney.

 

[CYdTracked]

I thought Ham played one of his better games.

Apparently Ryan in Ames doesn't agree though, says Ham is one of the worst players on the team and hasn't improved at all. I think he's the most improved player on the team this year actually and I wish we'd run some set plays on offense for him once in awhile. If you can get him a few more buckets it might open up things more for Craig in the paint.

 

[BigBake]

Because your defense for McD and how bad these four years have been, is that we need stability. Well if that is the case then there is no way that you think that Morgan wasn't fired prematurely.

He was fired. My opinion on the choice by Pollard doesn't mean squat.

Regardless of WM's coaching skills his firing hurt the program. We lost existing players and recruits went elsewhere.

 

[kingcy]

He was fired. My opinion on the choice by Pollard doesn't mean squat.

Regardless of WM's coaching skills his firing hurt the program. We lost existing players and recruits went elsewhere.

You are wrong. The firing of LE hurt the program and the circus that went on after the pics to his firing was a huge issue and then the coaching search was a mess. Morgan was the easy hire and at the right place at the right time and had the right connections to the players.

 

[CycloneWarning]

The fact that Morgan hasn't coached a single game since he was fired from here makes it really hard to regret that decision.

It has been explained numerous times that WM has a child with special needs, built a nice home in Ames that has a number of features for his kid, and Wayne is actually up there in years. So -- maybe the guy is simply happy with his life and hasn't looked much, if any, to get back into coaching.

Lord, the guy was fired. What does any continued need to try and run the man down accomplish? Why do people keep bringing this up after the facts are explained?

Besides - Not as if programs are beating down our doors to hire GMac away. Doubt we will find an Auburn savior for us.