No way OU shoots that well if we weren't double teaming all game. All you have to do is make an additional pass on our D and you'll get a wide open shot. Wish TJ would quit doing it.
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The caveat is that the opponent has to have the skill and athleticism to create/find that open look.
This definitely could be one of the "cons" of a weak non-con schedule...you can double team to your heart's content and not get burned, which creates the facade that that the double-teaming scheme is sound for the rigorous competition and better athleticism of the Big 12.
Saturday will be filled with families. With Houston being highly ranked and new to the conference I HOPE that game will be pretty full, school and work night though so maybe not full to the rafters, I'll guess north of 11,000 actual butts in the seats. Wouldn't surprise me if it was clear full though.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I scrolled through maybe the last ten pages of comments and didn't see 1 critiquing the play of Tamin. More comments that Milan had a bad game and shot poorly (4-12 2-6 from 3). Meanwhile, Lipsey was 1-10 0-4 from 3. Couldn't get to the rim and settled for jump shots. Other than drawing offensive fouls it didn't seem his defense was as disruptive as normal.
While I agree a road loss and particularly this loss is not a killer, Lipsey needs to be at least his average to above average self for us to win games.
While I agree a road loss and particularly this loss is not a killer, Lipsey needs to be at least his average to above average self for us to win games.
I just want to clarify on BRE... as I said yesterday, I love the guy, and glad he's a Cyclone. And off the court... he's even better as a person. His interviews are great. Very well spoken guy.
As a player... he's improved drastically over his years here. Defensively he's solid. Works his tail off. Offensively, I think he is actually very skilled... has some great moves around the basket, and has a good jump hook (but short arms it a lot unfortunately- needs to work on that).
My comment about him being soft offensively yesterday came out of the heat of the moment when he had basically a layup that he could have went hard to the basket and dunked it... but instead kind of weakly flicked it up there and he missed it... might have been rejected even, I can't quite remember?
I feel like he is a finesse player on the interior, and has the moves to be a finesse player. He's probably not built to be a very physical player down low. So maybe using the word 'finesse' would have been a better choice than 'soft'. My apologies. BRE is not Shack, and I should understand that. In the moment, it just irritated me that he didn't go stronger to the hoop.
And also in hindsight... going hard to the rim for BRE, and heading to the FT line a lot is also probably not a great idea considering his FT %. But he's improved on that a lot this year too... so good on him!
What bothered me the most yesterday was all the wide open 3's OU was getting... but that's nothing new for us. It's what we do. Drives me crazy. TJ was outcoached bad yesterday. We cannot continue to give teams wide open 3's in this conference or we will get destroyed.
As a player... he's improved drastically over his years here. Defensively he's solid. Works his tail off. Offensively, I think he is actually very skilled... has some great moves around the basket, and has a good jump hook (but short arms it a lot unfortunately- needs to work on that).
My comment about him being soft offensively yesterday came out of the heat of the moment when he had basically a layup that he could have went hard to the basket and dunked it... but instead kind of weakly flicked it up there and he missed it... might have been rejected even, I can't quite remember?
I feel like he is a finesse player on the interior, and has the moves to be a finesse player. He's probably not built to be a very physical player down low. So maybe using the word 'finesse' would have been a better choice than 'soft'. My apologies. BRE is not Shack, and I should understand that. In the moment, it just irritated me that he didn't go stronger to the hoop.
And also in hindsight... going hard to the rim for BRE, and heading to the FT line a lot is also probably not a great idea considering his FT %. But he's improved on that a lot this year too... so good on him!
What bothered me the most yesterday was all the wide open 3's OU was getting... but that's nothing new for us. It's what we do. Drives me crazy. TJ was outcoached bad yesterday. We cannot continue to give teams wide open 3's in this conference or we will get destroyed.
My only takeaway from the game... Both teams physically looked the part. I was skeptical of both teams going into it but both looked like top 4 seeds to me. Ward adds an element physically for us that is incredible. My prediction for the year is a semi rough start 1-3 2-2ish but we will have a 5-6 game winning streak at some point to get us to the 10-8 11-7 range.
The negative... Rebounding HAS to be better, no excuses when we have the size we do this year which blends into Tre HAS to be better. Can't have him play a big 12 game on the road and only have 2 rebounds.
The negative... Rebounding HAS to be better, no excuses when we have the size we do this year which blends into Tre HAS to be better. Can't have him play a big 12 game on the road and only have 2 rebounds.
Bill Sill - you should post more. Your analysis is always spot on.
I love our defense - generally speaking. But we a vulnerable to open threes if the offense can rotate the ball. That is how Virginia Tech
Beat us too. We may need defense option B occasionally.
King and Gilbert have looked like g5 players against the good teams we've played. Gilbert is pretty solid defensively but King is still lost on that end, if he's not scoring or rebounding, he's a liability. Let him play against undersized teams but Watson should be getting more of Tre's minutes most games, neither are going to score or be much help on the glass but at least Watson can make plays on defense.
I wondered if Lipsey just had an "off" game or OU had schemed to minimize his effectiveness and it worked. (Could be a little of both).
Having to battle foul trouble didn't help.
I think it can work in the Big 12 depending on the opponent or specific player we are doubling or can at least work at times but there has to be a counter to it when it isn't working and the team is shooting well from 3.
I think Gilbert will continue to grow and will be a good Big 12 starter. King is who he is and to me he is a role player. He just is undersized and his game is bullying people down low which is harder to do in the Big 12. He just doesn't really have much for post moves and isn't much of an outside shooter. He will have some good games and some games where he's kind of non-existent.
I was thinking the same thing vs good teams king is unplayable, if he's playing more than 15 min we're likely in trouble. Maybe that means Watson plays more or we go four guards more but change is coming.
This team seems good. But on the other hand, we've lost to every single good team that we've played. So it's hard to feel confident moving forward. This team has not proven anything to me at all.
Right now my expectation is just a tourney team don't really care about seeding at this point. We get through the next four 2-2 that expectation holds. We go 3-1 I probably start hoping for a 7 seed or better. We go 1-3 and I'm not saying we won't get in the tourney since we have an easier back half of our schedule but certainly starts to get into nervous territory
Iowa (1-3/9-6)
VCU (0-2/8-7)
Those two are ISU's best wins. So your post is %100 correct.
Big takeaway for me, we are a very young and not battle tested.
We still gave the #11 team a fight in their house.
You think Mom is missing those three 3 pointers at the end of a game like that when he is an upper classman.... no way.
Other take away, Tamin drives this team. The second he was off the floor we were in trouble.
We still gave the #11 team a fight in their house.
You think Mom is missing those three 3 pointers at the end of a game like that when he is an upper classman.... no way.
Other take away, Tamin drives this team. The second he was off the floor we were in trouble.
Completely disagree on shot quality. Curtis Jones gets 4 seconds to set up against the non con patsies. Against high major competition, we don't have guys able to get their shot off. How many open threes did we create in the offense yesterday? 6 or 7? Most of those were Momcilovic who can get his shot off because he's 6'8".
That's the risk. The reward is creating a ton of turnovers and getting easy offense from them. This year's team doesn't appear to be as good as previous at preventing the pass or getting deflections. It's definitely an issue.
Because it was out of character. We kinda know what we have in Lipsey. Of course he deserves criticism, but what's the point? We know he will be back.