So people think that the big 12 is going to take away the ACC's top programs and the ACC is still going to do a scheduling alliance with them? That seems like a reach. That's like stealing a guy's girlfriend and then asking him if he wants to go out on a double date.
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So people think that the big 12 is going to take away the ACC's top programs and the ACC is still going to do a scheduling alliance with them? That seems like a reach. That's like stealing a guy's girlfriend and then asking him if he wants to go out on a double date.
I lulzed.
This guy is so fulla ****. If the Big XII picks off ACC teams the B1G will be picking off UVa & UNC and the SEC will be picking off VT and NCST. There won't BE an ACC...
Grab FSU and Clemson and let's make some divisions.
No protected rivalries.
Texas & Texas Tech in one, TCU & Baylor in the other.
Oklahoma & Oklahoma State with UT and TTU. Kansas & Kansas State in the other.
First one is harder so add Iowa State, and toss in West Virginia for the pseudo-rivalry. Leaving FSU and Clemson for the other.
Division A:
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Division B:
Baylor
Clemson
Florida State
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Big 12 salivates over the ratings of the Texas-Florida State CCG at Jerryworld.
No protected rivalries.
Texas & Texas Tech in one, TCU & Baylor in the other.
Oklahoma & Oklahoma State with UT and TTU. Kansas & Kansas State in the other.
First one is harder so add Iowa State, and toss in West Virginia for the pseudo-rivalry. Leaving FSU and Clemson for the other.
Division A:
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Division B:
Baylor
Clemson
Florida State
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Big 12 salivates over the ratings of the Texas-Florida State CCG at Jerryworld.
Yeah, you have told me how much that sucks. But given I also just stole your wallet and I am "paying", would you rather just not eat?
Obviously the Big 12, FSU, and Clemson would be the winners in the deal. The ACC? Would it be better to lose FSU and Clemson, and do nothing? Not that it matters, because if FSU and Clemson leave, the ACC as we know it is done. Such alliance would be to allow FSU and Clemson to play the ACC-Big East teams not picked up by the BIG and SEC, without the Big 12 having to go to 16. It is actually not a fundamental change from the ideas of the past few months, just another rumor that the Big 12 (Texoma) does not want to go past 12.
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If B12 is getting more money in 2014, that would be the year to add teams. That means getting the ball rolling now.
But where is the value? With FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, you don't have a lot of options for high profile matchups that are going to pull big TV dollars for that scheduling agreement. Okay, so let's give them FSU-Miami and Clemson-Va Tech. Then we can stuff our pockets with all the cash from Texas-NC State or OU-Georgia Tech? How about a KU-Duke football game, or Texas Tech-Virginia. ESPN is reaching for their checkbook as I type this.
Think about it. You are looking at this alliance like it would be a merger. It would not be. Did you read my post? UVa, GT, Va Tech, and Duke would not be there.But where is the value? With FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, you don't have a lot of options for high profile matchups that are going to pull big TV dollars for that scheduling agreement. Okay, so let's give them FSU-Miami and Clemson-Va Tech. Then we can stuff our pockets with all the cash from Texas-NC State or OU-Georgia Tech? How about a KU-Duke football game, or Texas Tech-Virginia. ESPN is reaching for their checkbook as I type this.
The BIG and the SEC get what they get- no change from previous discussion. FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12. Instead of picking up another 4 leftovers from the ACC, the Big 12 stays at 12. Again, not really a new concept there.The alliance is nothing more than the conference being able to go back to an 8 game schedule, and formalizing that the extra OOC game as a Big 12- "ACC" match-up. Not a huge deal, but more value than playing FCS or MAC schools. FSU gets additional game(s) and has its new conference more of an affiliation with its part of the country. It is really just a line-item in trying to get Clemson and FSU to sign now.
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Are you talking about a freaky-deaky shadow conference? The ACC becomes the Skull & Bones / Fight Club of BCS conferences? I like it.
Unless the BIG goes to 18 or 20 and the SEC and Big 12 go to 16, there are going to be some decent ACC and Big East programs left out. I imagine to stay relevant, they would be willing to any type of scheduling alliance with any Big 4 conference and ND. They will need to use their 4 OOC games to boost their programs brand.
All I take from such alliance rumors is that certain members of the Big 12 are not interested in going past 12 given what they think will be available. If that is due to $/school, short-sighted but fine, but I hope it is not due to Dodds ND wet dream.
"And for your $200 question, will you take Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Virginia for national prestige if it meant you had $2M/yr less in your school coffers? "
Would UT and OU? In the case of UT, that would be ideal- more prestige and less money for those that need it more than you.
Don't forget rule number 1 about conference realignment: it is all about the money. We would add FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 if it makes us more money. It does that by adding more sexy matchups that TV networks are willing to pay big money for. Nobody is going to be willing to pay more for games with ACC and Big East leftovers. If games with those schools were worth any money, they wouldn't be leftover when the Big 12, B1G, and SEC expand. Plus, what motivation would we have to subsidize those programs left behind? We don't need to do that to appease FSU and Clemson. They don't have any leverage in this deal. They have to come on board if they want to stay relevant, they have nowhere else to go.
I would if it meant that my conference wasn't going to be able to survive the other conferences growing larger if we didn't expand. Heck, that $2M is future money that we don't have right now.
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The real advantage to adding Florida and SC teams is B12 viewership in the East would be much greater. When I lived in Virgina for 5 years, all we knew was ACC games coming on at 1:00 EST. That would change if the BIG and B12 moves east.
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It's always been about football and there have always been four conferences that are clearly above the rest in football for the past two to three decades. The ironic thing would be if UNC bolts to a football league after being the "texas" like power player in their basketball important conference.
The Champions Bowl should make Big 12 fans feel at ease. I don't think the SEC's targets are anywhere near Big 12 territory anymore and I think the Big 12 brass finally realizes with expansion they can be more attractive than the Pac 12. I was a little worried about KU to B1G but then they added two non-football schools, if they go to 16 they need better football and recruiting region than KU. KU would only be a solid #16 if Notre Dame is #15 and they stop there, but then they've done all this expanding and not gone south at all.
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