That may be true, but they are the ones paying big money. Until another TV partner comes along that will pay the same kind of cash, they are going to have significant say in what happens.
***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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That may be true, but they are the ones paying big money. Until another TV partner comes along that will pay the same kind of cash, they are going to have significant say in what happens.
And if the reports and rumors are true, ESPN doesn't seem to care too much for any of the expansion candidates' numbers...
I think a school like UCF would be beneficial to the conference in the middle to long term. The City and its surrounding suburbs, according to Wikipedia have a population of nearly 3 million people, putting them 17th in the nation in this category. That's a decent size market, with no NFL team. Additionally, I think TV contracts in the future as others will say, will be dependent on how many people watch, which means fan base will be important. I think it is in the best interest for conferences to run their own production studio's as the money in advertising for these games is substantial. More people watching your game, the more advertsiers are willing to pay.
The problem is that when the sports media talks about teams to add, they are solely only concerned about the win/loss record of a team and the match ups that will create. The BIG 12 espn blog has a running article that ranks the expansion teams every week, from reading it, they are only taking in to account the teams win/loss record at that point in time.
The problem is that when the sports media talks about teams to add, they are solely only concerned about the win/loss record of a team and the match ups that will create. The BIG 12 espn blog has a running article that ranks the expansion teams every week, from reading it, they are only taking in to account the teams win/loss record at that point in time.
Their enrollment is 60,000. They don't bring in 60,000 every year. But really, it's a commuter school. You don't have the support you need from the fanbase to really take advantage of that large alumni base.
Yea this is entirely untrue..It is Fox and ESPN that saved the Big 12 last go around..Now if the big 12 doesn't have Tx and OU then yea..but ESPN and Fox would lose money by not having a major conf in the middle of America..if it goes to P4 that's 20% less content available. There are only so many hours in the day to show games. Fox owns Tier 1 rights so it is more Fox than ESPN. I find it laughable all these fans that think adding say BYU or UConn or Cinnci would be worthless to the conf..Rutgers anyone? The big 12 would get 2-3 times the revenue from BYU or Uconn than Rutgers. Uconn basketball alone would.
WTS...if MOnday comes and there won't be an extension of the GOR then I sure hope JP and Leath spend the next 5-6 years begging the BIG or PAC..
UCF, USF, Cincy, Houston aren't joining another P5 conference before 2023ish. The ACC, SEC aren't waiting in the wings to add those schools. The Big12's best move at this point is patience and see what the TV rights marketplace looks like around 2022 (before the next round of BIG 10 rights negotiation). IMO a Big12//Pac12 merger makes great sense.
Also, if the playoff format increases from 4 to 8 schools, that could change what conferences look like and there is also the possibility conferences don't exist for football (ie 6 - 11 team divisions + 2 at large teams earn playoff berths).
No. First off. If you have a d
No. First off. If you have a freeking direction in your schools name you don't belong in a power conference. Sorry. Second. Do you really think they will pull from UF, FSU or Miami? Third. Does the BigXII really want another WVU island? Stop with the UCF garbage already. Holy ****.
No. First off. If you have a freeking direction in your schools name you don't belong in a power conference. Sorry. Second. Do you really think they will pull from UF, FSU or Miami? Third. Does the BigXII really want another WVU island? Stop with the UCF garbage already. Holy ****.
The Big 12s best move is helping the schools of the conference land on their feet in another power conference.
Big 12 has to play round robin to have championship unless they expand to 12 or more. That was the caveat with allowing the smaller sized conference a championship game. Having said that, the conference is still considering divisions in the round robin format.
This guy seems to know everything so I say we just go with whatever he wants
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So Southern California doesn't belong in a P5 conference. Good to know...
Practically speaking, having divisions changes nothing for Iowa State. The only possible change it would include is if ISU finishes 1st among some group of five schools, they'd get to play in the CCG (unlikely). But the schedule won't get easier with divisions like some people thought could happen with adding bad football programs to the conference - a shortsighted idea IMO.
Southern California is a way of life and not a directional school...
OR ESPN promoted fear Big 12 would crash thus Nebbie, Mizzou and A&M panicked and left.
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BYU & Houston WOULD NOT dilute the league. They'd probably strengthen it. The networks would have you believe otherwise to justify fighting a contractually obligated pro rata clause. Worrying about future negotiations is short sided considering how the media landscape is changing.
Expanding the conferences's television footprint and appealing to more viewers should be a priority. Strength in numbers is the key to longevity; not obsessing over preserving the status quo.
Waiting for a Power 5 school to become available is a waste of time because it ain't gonna happen.
Worrying about competing with elevated programs for a new power conference home in 2025 is dumb because no one's going to take Iowa State anyways. That's cold hard truth.
Even a diluted Big 12 is better than the AAC or Mountain West. Give me expansion or give me death.
Expanding the conferences's television footprint and appealing to more viewers should be a priority. Strength in numbers is the key to longevity; not obsessing over preserving the status quo.
Waiting for a Power 5 school to become available is a waste of time because it ain't gonna happen.
Worrying about competing with elevated programs for a new power conference home in 2025 is dumb because no one's going to take Iowa State anyways. That's cold hard truth.
Even a diluted Big 12 is better than the AAC or Mountain West. Give me expansion or give me death.
I expect cable and tv to offer less money as fewer eyeballs are trending' next time
IF expansion was about quality of FB, reach, expanding viewership - then about 10 of 20 expansion candidate schools would have allowed the Big12 to meet your criteria.
The only qualifier that counts, is what schools bring incremental revenue to the Big12 TV contract. The current per school payout is $25M per year and none of the expansion schools bring that value annually. The surest way to push UT/OU out of the Big12 and discourage P5 schools from joining the Big12 is to dilute the annual prorata payout.
This is one of those time patience brings clarity.
While I think an 8 team playoff reduces the potential for hand wringing about the conference's fate, the only thing that keeps everybody home in the Big 12 and not looking to bail is seeing to it that the Big 12 earns dollar for dollar what other top conferences earn per team.
It's always only about the money.