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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

In a doomsday scenario of 4 super conferences here is what i have, although that's assuming the OSU comments from today keeps OU & OSU together. Basically I see 4 spots for about 12 teams...
 

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Beyerball said:
This has nothing to do with TV Partners...This has everything to do with BYU and its Honor Code..Presdients want BYU to change their Honor code to give shelter to current Big 12 PResidents...BYU isn't doing it...There is no expansion scenerio that gets 8 votes without BYU..hence this whole thing appears dead and that is not good folks..Not only is the big 12 losing strength in Baylor faltering after this year but OU clearly isn't gonna make playoffs this year and who knows with Texas..Just remember in 6 years when this conference falls apart all those ISU fans who were/are not in favor of this conference expanding..
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I am in favor of expanding only if a GOR is extended. I am not in favor of just expanding.
 
Doomsday here for us is if UT, TT, OU and OSU head to the PAC12 again, the B1G takes Kansas and UCONN, SEC grabs WVU and TCU, and Notre Dame becomes a full fledged member of the ACC and they take Cinncinatti. I had to go through alot of scenarios to get us left out and that's what I came up with, albeit unrealistic.


I truly think it will all be up to where OU wants to go. If it severs the tie between OSU and goes to the B1G gotta think KU will head that way. If OU is forced to stay together (Pickens recent comments make it feel that way) I feel like we will see them take OSU to the SEC or TT and UT will head west then with them to the PAC12.

I don't see the SEC taking us over WVU. MU is already an outpost.

If OU goes to the SEC I think we have a good chance at survival, hoping our AAU status can keep us in B1G or PAC talks.

My bet is Pollard binds us to KU to barter together, alot like the situation in 2011 with ISU, NU, KU, OU, and TAM heading to the B1G. Which would've been awesome.
 
surly said:
Expansion without adding value to the package never ever made sense. The conference holds at ten then goes after the two Arizona schools when their GOR expire a year before the Big 12's. Have long felt this would be the final outcome. Hopefully, the league gets some additional 'jack' from the networks between now and then.
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My hope is that this is being talked about now behind the scenes and is why B12 expansion talk has slowed down. Adding the AZ schools would go a long way toward stability in the B12 and would move all the scrutiny from the B12 to the remaining PAC 10. I'm sure many of the remaining PAC teams would then be looking to follow AZ & ASU before their conference mates beat them to it.
 
GOR extensions could well depend on a commitment from the Networks. They may not be willing to do that until they have a better handle on cord cutting.
 
CyKings said:
In a doomsday scenario of 4 super conferences here is what i have, although that's assuming the OSU comments from today keeps OU & OSU together. Basically I see 4 spots for about 12 teams...
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TCU will never be in Pac 12. Nor will Baylor or BYU. Notre Dame is not joining a conference in football unless forced to and there is nothing forcing them to.
 
NetflixAndClone said:
Lately I've been reading the SEC boards and quite a few of them want to make a play for KU and ISU. They feel like it would raise their basketball profile a lot and hurt the big ten.

They seem to believe that the networks will be moving to a subscription service and they know Iowa State would have a fan base that would buy in.

I'm surprised how pro Iowa State they are and out of all the Power conferences I would say they are the most pro Iowa state expansion.
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Mizzou would be an ally.
 
snowcraig2.0 said:
KU and ISU to the SEC would be amazing, and that SEC west division would make a tone of sense geographically. SEC gets two AAU schools, KU as a premier brand in basketball, ISU as a good brand in basketball, both with rabid basketball fan bases, and ISU's football fan base as well. The problem is it doesn't move the TV needle very much. The SEC is strong in KC already with MIZZOU. Really only adding maybe 3 million more people.
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Not to mention SEC would get footprint in Big Ten country with addition of ISU
 
CyKings said:
In a doomsday scenario of 4 super conferences here is what i have, although that's assuming the OSU comments from today keeps OU & OSU together. Basically I see 4 spots for about 12 teams...
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there is absolutely no chance Texas goes Big Ten. They will not play 14 teams in the northern part of the country. Ain't happening. Texas to ACC with TT. OU and OSU to SEC. ISU and KU to Big Ten.
 
CyKings said:
In a doomsday scenario of 4 super conferences here is what i have, although that's assuming the OSU comments from today keeps OU & OSU together. Basically I see 4 spots for about 12 teams...
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I just don't know what world people live in that they continually echo chamber TCU or Baylor or any other religious school going to the PAC 12. Not happening....unless Berkeley, Stanford, and Central LA are no longer locations of campuses that are part of the PAC 12 conferences.
 
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dahliaclone said:
Not to mention SEC would get footprint in Big Ten country with addition of ISU
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No offense but that would be like saying adding BYU get the Big 12 in the Pac 12 footprint.

Any expansion that doesn't include the Big 12 adding teams and instead losing teams is NOT good for ISU.

I don't see under any scenario where ISU is any better than the bottom third of the Big 12 pecking order when it comes to conferences poaching teams. And I am talking SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC conferences.
 
CRCy said:
No offense but that would be like saying adding BYU get the Big 12 in the Pac 12 footprint.

Any expansion that doesn't include the Big 12 adding teams and instead losing teams is NOT good for ISU.

I don't see under any scenario where ISU is any better than the bottom third of the Big 12 pecking order when it comes to conferences poaching teams. And I am talking SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC conferences.
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I think it would be a lot like the PAC adding Utah despite low population and historically average football tradition.
 
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CRCy said:
No offense but that would be like saying adding BYU get the Big 12 in the Pac 12 footprint.

Any expansion that doesn't include the Big 12 adding teams and instead losing teams is NOT good for ISU.

I don't see under any scenario where ISU is any better than the bottom third of the Big 12 pecking order when it comes to conferences poaching teams. And I am talking SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC conferences.
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If you think of the Big 12 as a whole with all the teams, yes, ISU would seemingly be on the bottom of the pecking order. But when you start to place teams, starting with OU and TX and where their likely landing spots are and with who, and throw in religious universities and AAU schools...not so much.
 
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