***Official Baylor postgame thread***

Well, at least you admit it now.

As for the "mid major" label being some sort of insult, honestly, that's just really dumb; some of the best coaching in college basketball is done by mid-major coaches year in and year out, who have to do more with less than the blue blood programs. Some of the best coaches today got their start at mid-major programs; Bill Self, for example, started at Tulsa.

Clearly, this season's team has issues winning the games it's supposed to win at Hilton; part of that, hell, maybe even most of it, lies with whatever Prohm and his staff are or are not doing to defend the homecourt. It's mind boggling, to say the least. I went to bed pissed off about the game, slept for just a few hours, and woke up still pissed off about it.

Doesn't mean I'm ready to clean house with the coaching staff. Compared to last season this team and program are in very good shape. Besides, if you do fire Prohm, you're likely hiring Otz, who would be coming from a mid-major program, and by your own words that isn't good enough for you.

Reality is prohm is a good coach. He has been able to attract talent. He’s ok on the sidelines, you don’t win as much as he has if you’re not.

This team is up and down. Not sure why it is. Seems they bond together on the road, and home is an issue.

I guess I’ll go back to what I said after k state and after tcu. I’m gonna see how the season ends before I declare this season a failure.
 
Good teams don't lose this many times at home. ISU is not a good team. This is why Kansas wins the league every year. They don't lose at home.

We're actually a very good team. We're a great road team but man at home it's like we think we can just show up and win or something
 
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I wouldn't have an agenda if this coaching staff would simply quit losing home games. They've completely ruined Hilton Magic and this just didn't start this year or last year. The guy is a mid major coach, probably rank him 9th in our league for coaching talent.

So you would be acting rationally if ISU had beaten KSU, TCU, and BU at home, but lost to TT, KSU, Ole Miss, and OU on the road?
 
We're actually a very good team. We're a great road team but man at home it's like we think we can just show up and win or something

Prohm mentioned before that he thought they get tight at home. Not sure if that’s true, but they haven’t appeared confident the last couple of games. I thought they played fairly hard last night but you could sort of see in their eyes that they thought they would lose.
 
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Good teams don't lose this many times at home. ISU is not a good team. This is why Kansas wins the league every year. They don't lose at home.

And average teams don't win on the road too often. So we are not good. Not average. We must be bad.
 
Reality is prohm is a good coach. He has been able to attract talent. He’s ok on the sidelines, you don’t win as much as he has if you’re not.

This team is up and down. Not sure why it is. Seems they bond together on the road, and home is an issue.

I guess I’ll go back to what I said after k state and after tcu. I’m gonna see how the season ends before I declare this season a failure.

I wonder if there are some underlying chemistry issues that are not easy to see on the surface that are starting to bubble up.

Also, it really seems like whenever both Wiggington and THT shoot poorly, especially from the perimeter, that it really effects the whole rest of the offense. I know; Captain Obvious type of statement, but them shooting a combined 2/10 from the three point line last night was just as detrimental as us getting our ass*s kicked on the boards all night.
 
Reality is prohm is a good coach. He has been able to attract talent. He’s ok on the sidelines, you don’t win as much as he has if you’re not.

This team is up and down. Not sure why it is. Seems they bond together on the road, and home is an issue.

I guess I’ll go back to what I said after k state and after tcu. I’m gonna see how the season ends before I declare this season a failure.


One does not necessarily mean the other. I'm not an advocate of firing Prohm...I do feel that the difference between good coaches (which nearly all at this level are) and great coaches (which I think we want him to be) is that they understand how to utilize what they have better than other coaches. I have yet to see this from CP in any year he's been here.

IMO, he inherited known entities that may have helped his image the first couple years. No doubt, he can recruit...but I haven't seen growth from our team. Even Babb doesn't seem as confident as he once did.

I'm not a bb expert but the eye test to me doesn't show progression. Zero in-game adjustments, limited strategy in clutch situations, on-off effort...who controls this?

Finally, all great coaches will tell you they develop a leader. Who is ours?
 
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OK, not fair. Given the recruiting hole he inherited and the situations with injuries last year, that totally distorts the record. But still, he is only 30-19 in the other three seasons. That's only a 61% winning percentage. Good enough for the tourney, yes. We could lose out and still go this year given how terrible the bubble is - in fact, I'd go as far as saying if we lose out, we won't even be in the First Four. 8-10 in the B12 this year with wins against KU, @KSU, @TT, @OleMiss would lock in no worse than a 10 seed. It may even still be possible to tie for the league title at 13-5...if we somehow win out. But I don't think it's unreasonable for Cyclone fans to expect being in the top 2 of the league on a consistent basis. We are now looking at 4 teams in front of us in a season where the opportunity was right there for us to take the title.

Don't look at the league title. That's over for a team that can't protect its home court.
 
So who should we hire? Fire prohm.

Well, at least you admit it now.

As for the "mid major" label being some sort of insult, honestly, that's just really dumb; some of the best coaching in college basketball is done by mid-major coaches year in and year out, who have to do more with less than the blue blood programs. Some of the best coaches today got their start at mid-major programs; Bill Self, for example, started at Tulsa.

Clearly, this season's team has issues winning the games it's supposed to win at Hilton; part of that, hell, maybe even most of it, lies with whatever Prohm and his staff are or are not doing to defend the homecourt. It's mind boggling, to say the least. I went to bed pissed off about the game, slept for just a few hours, and woke up still pissed off about it.

Doesn't mean I'm ready to clean house with the coaching staff. Compared to last season this team and program are in very good shape. Besides, if you do fire Prohm, you're likely hiring Otz, who would be coming from a mid-major program, and by your own words that isn't good enough for you.

Who said I want TJ? It's frustrating to watch other teams get coaches like Lon Krueger, Jamie Dixon, heck look at what Barnes is doing now.

Then we make an impulse hire, they pretty much admitted Prohm got the job because he was close to Hoibergs style and they didn't want to disrupt the chemistry for the core group he left behind.

I just think they should have done a better search, we were a hot program at the time, it's not like he was some juggernaut, he made 1 tourney in 4 years at Murray.
The guy can recruit obviously, but I just don't think he's a good coach.
 
I think someone else mentioned it but in the first half last night you got the feeling that the game was going to go about like it did.

The team is schizo which is understandable in some ways but man if they need a bucket they flip out and force it instead of working it around for a shot.

As multi-faceted as they are in individual skills at times they're easier to guard when players are going iso.
 
Who said I want TJ? It's frustrating to watch other teams get coaches like Lon Krueger, Jamie Dixon, heck look at what Barnes is doing now.

Then we make an impulse hire, they pretty much admitted Prohm got the job because he was close to Hoibergs style and they didn't want to disrupt the chemistry for the core group he left behind.

I just think they should have done a better search, we were a hot program at the time, it's not like he was some juggernaut, he made 1 tourney in 4 years at Murray.
The guy can recruit obviously, but I just don't think he's a good coach.

TJ WILL GET THE JOB IF PROHM IS FIRED OR IS RUN OFF. END OF STORY.
 
So you would be acting rationally if ISU had beaten KSU, TCU, and BU at home, but lost to TT, KSU, Ole Miss, and OU on the road?

Conference championships are won by running the table at home or going 8-1, and finishing at least .500 on the road, that's all I want to see. The talent was there this year, especially with all the injuries in the conference.
 

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