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***Official Baylor postgame thread***

jsb said:
This board should shut down for 24 hours after football and basketball losses. We all behave like jackasses. It’s so ******* toxic.

To think there are significant number of fans who don’t think prohm is a good coach and should be fired is awful.

To think that there are significant number of fans that don’t think this is a good team is stupid.

You can point out the flaws in this team and the coaches without acting like they are the only teams with flaws. You can be pissed this team has lost 3 at home but you also have to acknowledge that they have been great on the road.

I’m extreme in defending the team and coaches because they don’t deserve to be completely thrown under the bus. Go read the toxic comments on their Facebook page. That’s **** people might as well be saying directly to them.

The players and coaches were pissed tonight. I hadn’t exactly heard them like that after any loss this year.

Also as far as prohm saying he could have done some things different. He’s trying to be honest but idiot fans take those comments and run. He has reasons for doing what he does and like every coach he second guesses himself and makes mistakes. Most coaches don’t admit that to the fans though.
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A live look at the posters who jump to their computer after a loss

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Cat Stevens said:
That first team had 6 guys, the 7th guy was Hallice Cook. Non con it was naz then Deonte became eligible, and he went and had his surgery. The only big was McKay, who had problems and missed some time. They played with Burton as the center in those games. There was no depth, and there were holes.
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I was just about to write something along those lines; Deonte only played half the season, and Naz only played half the season (if that) on a bum hip. As you wrote, next to no depth on that team. Considering those limitations I was just fine with making it to the Sweet 16.
 
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jsb said:
Fred has rebuild year 1. Prohm had it year 3. I know you don’t think he needed one but just for the sake of argument allow it. What team of Fred’s was head and shoulders above the 3 non-rebuilds of prohm? They were all pretty similar except Fred had a 7 and 8 seed with Royce and Georges freshman year. Prohm hasn’t had a seed that low and likely won’t this year.
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Yeah, the rebuild last year was going to happen, and I don't really think there was a hell of a lot either Prohm or Hoiberg could've done about it, at least thats reasonable for a non-blueblood with most of the minutes spoken for and a coaching transition. With Naz's redshirt and Monte coming back those seniors were going to play tons of minutes.

Being pissed is fine, but in the end if the tournament started tomorrow, ISU would likely be a 5 seed. In the past 75-80 years there were only maybe 6 better or as good as that. 2 each by Eustachy, Hoiberg and Prohm. Better than any seed Johnny or Floyd achieved and of course Morgan and McDoormat.
 
AuH2O said:
Yeah, the rebuild last year was going to happen, and I don't really think there was a hell of a lot either Prohm or Hoiberg could've done about it, at least thats reasonable for a non-blueblood with most of the minutes spoken for and a coaching transition. With Naz's redshirt and Monte coming back those seniors were going to play tons of minutes.

Being pissed is fine, but in the end if the tournament started tomorrow, ISU would likely be a 5 seed. In the past 75-80 years there were only maybe 6 better or as good as that. 2 each by Eustachy, Hoiberg and Prohm. Better than any seed Johnny or Floyd achieved and of course Morgan and McDoormat.
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Quit using facts. They aren't liked here by many.
 
So it sure sounds like Prohm for like one of the first times ever called out his team.
I found his comments about knowing Baylor tendencies and wanting to drive to the right, and yet our guys let them get the middle pretty damning.

One of the more insightful interviews he has done.
 
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Cat Stevens said:
That first team had 6 guys, the 7th guy was Hallice Cook. Non con it was naz then Deonte became eligible, and he went and had his surgery. The only big was McKay, who had problems and missed some time. They played with Burton as the center in those games. There was no depth, and there were holes.
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People seem to forget the details of that season.
 
AuH2O said:
Yeah, the rebuild last year was going to happen, and I don't really think there was a hell of a lot either Prohm or Hoiberg could've done about it, at least thats reasonable for a non-blueblood with most of the minutes spoken for and a coaching transition. With Naz's redshirt and Monte coming back those seniors were going to play tons of minutes.

Being pissed is fine, but in the end if the tournament started tomorrow, ISU would likely be a 5 seed. In the past 75-80 years there were only maybe 6 better or as good as that. 2 each by Eustachy, Hoiberg and Prohm. Better than any seed Johnny or Floyd achieved and of course Morgan and McDoormat.
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Good points, but Floyd did have a 7, 5, and 6 seed in his 3 tourneys here, so one 5.
 
alarson said:
I'll actually disagree with this.

I view 2015-2016 as an underachieving year given the talent on that team. McKay, Nader, Thomas, Morris, Niang, Burton? Look at what those guys have done since graduation. That's an incredibly talented team, and there's a reason we were preseason top 10.

The tournament is a crapshoot. Sweet 16 with what we had isnt terrible but its nothing special given what we had either. If any year was the year to make a run, that was it. Being the lowest 4 seed though, after being preseason top 10 and with the talent we had? That's underachieving.

Also finishing 5th, losing game one of the big 12 tournament? With that talent? That's a disappointment, and it also leads to making it harder to go deeper into the tournament. Because we underperformed during the regular season, we ran into a 1 seed in the sweet 16.

I do put last year's blame mostly on Fred though. His recruiting put Prohm in a bad place for that
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Burton was a mid-season eligible guy. Coming into the season Nader was mostly a non-factor the year before, Thomas was a guy that couldn't defend and was a 3p specialist the previous year that shot 33% from 3. McKay had discipline problems. Throw in the fact you are counting on Naz and he shuts it down. Yes a team with Niang and Monte is going to be good, but we are talking about a team with one rotation guy in the NBA, a couple guys hoping to be journeymen and a couple guys playing overseas.
It was a top 10 preseason team with Naz. Lose your 3rd best player to injury, and a 4 seed and Sweet 16 seems to be about right for the expectation.
 
AuH2O said:
Burton was a mid-season eligible guy. Coming into the season Nader was mostly a non-factor the year before, Thomas was a guy that couldn't defend and was a 3p specialist the previous year that shot 33% from 3. McKay had discipline problems. Throw in the fact you are counting on Naz and he shuts it down. Yes a team with Niang and Monte is going to be good, but we are talking about a team with one rotation guy in the NBA, a couple guys hoping to be journeymen and a couple guys playing overseas.
It was a top 10 preseason team with Naz. Lose your 3rd best player to injury, and a 4 seed and Sweet 16 seems to be about right for the expectation.
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Funny how you discount Nader for being a 'non-factor the year before' but then also dismiss mckay who was DPOY the year before. Maybe Prohm just didnt handle him well.
 
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A decision has to be made between Babb and Halliburton....Babb, as wonderful as he is, was never meant to be a 35 minute a game guy and in reality is not that kind of player, no reason to have them both on the floor for most of the game, its one or the other...you needed Babb last year when we had nothing else, not the case anymore with the emergence of Halliburton....its a hard thing, but you can’t have them both out there all the time. Not fair to either one really at this point. Halliburton is just a lot better than anyone thought, which is a good thing. It’s just playing them both makes ISU really limited vs certain matchups in a lot of ways, for a lot of reasons. I really don’t think anything about this is controversial and really quite obvious.

So we don’t win the Big 12, fine...that ship has sailed, probably sailed when we dropped the TCU game, doesn’t mean all is lost. Adjustments can be made here, but hard decisions have to be made versus certain matchups, the book is out.....can’t stop the penetrationa and can’t really rebound effectively with this particular lineup....fortunately the roster exists to solve these problems with any given matchup, but again, hard decisions have to be made and it may not favor the senior point guard. If not, we probably go down first round or best case lose second round, which isn’t the worst thing in the world either....but if you want a chance to max out, you have to choose.
 
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I love this team, yet it feels a bit like kissing your sister sounds. In the past Johnny Orr could get the team up for a big home win, but would dribble it down the leg on the road. Floyd taught D and rebounding, and Larry E took that a notch higher before exploding. To have three big wins I the road showed so much progress, but to turn around, with lots in the line (thus no excuse for overlooking an opponent) seems like peeing it down our legs. It feels like smoke and mirrors. You have th wrappings of a to
Mentally tough team but just aren’t. To be able to get so high for games on the road against tough foes, but to mail it in against other lesser foes seems to be a mental or cultural issue with the team.
 
I understand when there isn’t dribble penetration and large comes to challenge, the guy he is guarding may get an offensive rebound. Tonight however, when two or three guys fly in for an O rebound with no one putting a body on them, that seems like a coaching/ execution error that hasn’t improved as Thebes season wears on.
 
Got back home. Crowd was awesome tonight. Especially for being under a winter storm warning. That’s all I got though. I guess were Baylor’s b**ch now. They’re getting used to winning in Hilton which is sickening.
 
This team needs to win 2-3 more, crap into an 8 seed and end up in Duke’s region. I’d be more comfortable with the success of that scenario than being a 4 seed with expectations.

What a scrotum-less group
 
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I have found this team hard to watch all year so I’ve basically stopped watching. Turned it on midway through the second half and watched them give up 2-3 offensive boards in about 90 seconds. Turned it off and went to Target.

They’ll have to do it without me this year.
 
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Consistency of excellence not there yet. Should be at this point in the season. CSP needs to drill home, somehow, consistency of excellence. The way it's going, ISU is out in the first round of both the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments.
 
When Jacobson just stood there hands up while the Baylor player drove right around him for the easy bucket he should of been pulled. Conditt should of seen time tonight. Go two bigs do something, cuase the guy is a liability
 
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