Teams
Forum List
Toggle sidebar

***Official 2021 Vikings***

MeowingCows said:
And most of those losses weren't on Kirk. Defense and Special Teams lost, what, 7 games on last-possession scenarios?

Vikings lost games scoring 25+ points. Tell me whose fault those losses are.
Click to expand...

Burrow's offensive line equal to Minnesota. He is in the AFC CG. The Raiders made the playoffs with a worse OL in a FAR better division

www.pff.com

Final 2021 NFL Offensive Line Rankings

With tackle Tyron Smith and guard Zack Martin leading the way, the Dallas Cowboys finish the 2021 regular season as the top offensive line in the NFL.
www.pff.com www.pff.com
 
  • Dumb
Reactions: ClonesInDallas
Kurttr said:
Glad at least one of you noted that the technicality of Cousins being franchised didn't change my overall point re: the Redskins not wanting to commit the future to him. Geesh.

I've not suggested that he is the lone reason the Vikings underperformed. Much can be said about the D - was glad to see Zimmer finally being let go. But, again, because another part of the team stinks doesn't mean that Kirk rocks. I've made the points that I think clearly show him being average at best as an overall QB. For a few more objective considerations:

- Who was the Vikings competition for Cousins? It was the Jets. Really. A guy as good as some of you suggest should have been in higher demand. I don't blame the Vikings for giving it a shot - their other choices were Teddy (coming off freak knee injury) or Keenum (or other ho-hum FAs). I do blame the Vikings for re-upping him, when they had plenty of evidence on their own time to make the same call WAS did.

- If you were going to trade Kirk now, I assume you big Cousins fans think you could get at least a 1st-rounder and other high picks too, right? If he's that good... and, assume for this that his deal is restructured a bit to make it happen. I'd be surprised if any try to suggest high bids would come in for Kirk -- that would support my points as well. If you really think there would be high demand/offers for Kirk, then, more power to you. No need to carry on the discussion.
Click to expand...

I'm in your camp for the most part, but it was argued earlier that WFT did want Cousins, but not for the money he wanted. Don't remember if it was a token weak offer, or if Cousins just wanted huge Vikings type money.
My guess is KAM may offer an extension, but the Vikes may be in the same WFT position-- 'Here's our offer, but you're not worth what you think. Good luck in FA.'
 
Kurttr said:
Glad at least one of you noted that the technicality of Cousins being franchised didn't change my overall point re: the Redskins not wanting to commit the future to him. Geesh.

I've not suggested that he is the lone reason the Vikings underperformed. Much can be said about the D - was glad to see Zimmer finally being let go. But, again, because another part of the team stinks doesn't mean that Kirk rocks. I've made the points that I think clearly show him being average at best as an overall QB. For a few more objective considerations:

- Who was the Vikings competition for Cousins? It was the Jets. Really. A guy as good as some of you suggest should have been in higher demand. I don't blame the Vikings for giving it a shot - their other choices were Teddy (coming off freak knee injury) or Keenum (or other ho-hum FAs). I do blame the Vikings for re-upping him, when they had plenty of evidence on their own time to make the same call WAS did.

- If you were going to trade Kirk now, I assume you big Cousins fans think you could get at least a 1st-rounder and other high picks too, right? If he's that good... and, assume for this that his deal is restructured a bit to make it happen. I'd be surprised if any try to suggest high bids would come in for Kirk -- that would support my points as well. If you really think there would be high demand/offers for Kirk, then, more power to you. No need to carry on the discussion.
Click to expand...
Franchising is future commitment. It just comes in the form of a money disagreement. If they didn't want him, they wouldn't tag him, either, as tagging itself is extremely expensive. It's just shorter term, in hopes of fixing the money disagreement.

Now, that I agree is a Cousins thing. He's clearly not the "team friendly deal" guy. He's cashing in at all opportunities, period. As of right now, though, that's a sunk cost, unless you trade.

To trade, you'll need to extend/restructure first. That's common and would be the easiest path away from him. There's teams out there in the market for a QB, but frankly, I have no idea what his trade value is. Certainly have to entertain offers, though, and bear in mind that his trade haul is directly related to contract as well. I think there would be opportunities to trade him, but the value of those would be underwhelming compared to sunk cost -- and that's just something they'll have to accept to make the move. I wonder more about the moves in the meantime. Do you sign a FA QB? Bring one as part of the trade? I don't see why bother. The best value out of Cousins, to me, is purely in draft picks and abuse Mond at QB until ready to move on from him.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: cycloneG
cyfan92 said:
Burrow's offensive line equal to Minnesota. He is in the AFC CG. The Raiders made the playoffs with a worse OL in a FAR better division

www.pff.com

Final 2021 NFL Offensive Line Rankings

With tackle Tyron Smith and guard Zack Martin leading the way, the Dallas Cowboys finish the 2021 regular season as the top offensive line in the NFL.
www.pff.com www.pff.com
Click to expand...
Offensive line isn't either of special teams or defense. How do those two teams rank against the Vikings in those areas? Next, reminder once again that the Vikings maintained a decent pass attack and PPG output despite OL issues -- and the run game wasn't leading that. They were trailing almost the entire NFL.

Also, if you hate Cousins, I can't see why you'd celebrate Carr. They're practically the same thing with similar results. Burrow looks more and more like a franchise QB with each passing game, though. Celebrating the Bengals makes some sense, but the Raiders have been just as stagnant lately as the Vikings.
 
  • Agree
  • Winner
Reactions: cycloneG and ClonesInDallas
clone52 said:
To be fair, the Redskins franchise tagged him twice. So they didn't let him walk, but also didn't think enough of him to give him a long contract. Your overall point still stands.
Click to expand...
They actually did offer him a long term deal. At the time it was the most guaranteed money for a quarterback in league history. But the bridge was burned by then. Cousins didn't want to be there anymore.



That's not to say that Washington didn't have their doubts about him. But he was wanted. They just couldn't come to an agreement on the details.
 
Mr Janny said:
They actually did offer him a long term deal. At the time it was the most guaranteed money for a quarterback in league history. But the bridge was burned by then. Cousins didn't want to be there anymore.



That's not to say that Washington didn't have their doubts about him. But he was wanted. They just couldn't come to an agreement on the details.
Click to expand...

It's not like that wasn't a legitimate offer, there's serious money there. They were willing to pay up for him. He went to the Vikings because...they paid similarly over a shorter term.
 
MeowingCows said:
Offensive line isn't either of special teams or defense. How do those two teams rank against the Vikings in those areas? Next, reminder once again that the Vikings maintained a decent pass attack and PPG output despite OL issues -- and the run game wasn't leading that. They were trailing almost the entire NFL.

Also, if you hate Cousins, I can't see why you'd celebrate Carr. They're practically the same thing with similar results. Burrow looks more and more like a franchise QB with each passing game, though. Celebrating the Bengals makes some sense, but the Raiders have been just as stagnant lately as the Vikings.
Click to expand...
Wow, so now were down to thinking decisions should be made because a guy can't do what Joe Burrow is doing? The QB that every franchise other than KC and SD would probably swap their QB for?

I would love to have Burrow or Herbert, but who the hell wouldn't?

On that note, I think Josh Allen is a bit overrated. I would love to have him, and he's a franchise guy, but he was pretty erratic this year, and people are freaking out over this Chiefs game for TD passes on complete, Chiz-era ISU blown coverages by the Chiefs.

But I'm mainly glad the Vikes are in the NFC - Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Allen are nuts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cycloneG and MeowingCows
AuH2O said:
Wow, so now were down to thinking decisions should be made because a guy can't do what Joe Burrow is doing? The QB that every franchise other than KC and SD would probably swap their QB for?

I would love to have Burrow or Herbert, but who the hell wouldn't?

On that note, I think Josh Allen is a bit overrated. I would love to have him, and he's a franchise guy, but he was pretty erratic this year, and people are freaking out over this Chiefs game for TD passes on complete, Chiz-era ISU blown coverages by the Chiefs.

But I'm mainly glad the Vikes are in the NFC - Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Allen are nuts.
Click to expand...
Definitely. That conference is looking to be very competitive for a long, long time.
 
clone52 said:
I completely disagree with the idea of tanking. Name one situation where purposely ruining your team has worked out well for a team?

We might turn into the Jaguars who've drafted 3 QBs in the Top 10 in the last decade with nothing to show for it.

Look at the teams who have a Franchise QB.
The Chiefs didn't tank to get Mahomes.
The Packers didn't tank to get Rodgers.
The Seahawks didn't tank to get Wilson.
The Bills didn't tank to get Josh Allen.
The Ravens didn't tank to get Lamar Jackson.
The Cowboys didn't tank to get Josh Allen.
The Colts didn't tank to get Andrew Luck. Manning got hurt and they lucked out with a 1-15 season.
The Chargers didn't tank to get Justin Herbert.


The Bengals kind of tank, I guess, but its not like they gutted their roster. They just were on a continuous decline with a bad roster. The certainly didn't tank on purpose.

The Cardinals blew their first Top 10 pick to try and grab a franchise QB (Josh Rosen) and he was so bad they got a second chance. Again, not an on purpose tank.

It looks like the Raiders purposely to get Derek Carr. Terrell Pryor was their leading passer and I don't even recognize the name of their leading rusher and leading receiver. All that for a "franchise" QB with Kirk Cousins type success.

The Falcons didn't purposely tank to get Matt Ryan, unless you think the plan was to get Michael Vick indicted for an illegal dog fighting ring.

The Jaguars are great at tanking.
Click to expand...
Cowboys drafted Josh Allen? Did not know that.
 
AuH2O said:
Wow, so now were down to thinking decisions should be made because a guy can't do what Joe Burrow is doing? The QB that every franchise other than KC and SD would probably swap their QB for?

I would love to have Burrow or Herbert, but who the hell wouldn't?

On that note, I think Josh Allen is a bit overrated. I would love to have him, and he's a franchise guy, but he was pretty erratic this year, and people are freaking out over this Chiefs game for TD passes on complete, Chiz-era ISU blown coverages by the Chiefs.

But I'm mainly glad the Vikes are in the NFC - Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Allen are nuts.
Click to expand...

I watched Allen a few times earlier in the season. He's a gamer IMO. Young and lots of upside. But that's only my opinion and I'm not a NFL GM
 
NWICY said:
I watched Allen a few times earlier in the season. He's a gamer IMO. Young and lots of upside. But that's only my opinion and I'm not a NFL GM
Click to expand...
He was awesome early in the season, then was pretty up and down tgrough a good stretch of the season. He’s a stud and franchise QB, I just don’t think he’s as good as Burrow or Herbert.
 
As a cyclone fan, I really hope it’s not harbaugh.

as a Viking fan, he’s probably the best option we can get. 44-19 in the NFL, always had success where he’s been, and rumor is he’s really close with Fangio and would bring him in as the DC
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Help Support Us

Become a patron
Top Bottom
Back