***Official 2016 Transfer Thread***

[acgclone]

Junior college kids and other transfers still require some recruiting effort. But, 4 jucos/transfers just moved on from the 2015/16 roster rotation, and there are currently 5 so far for the 2016/17 rotation, with 1 scholarship still open. That's a lot of playing time for short-timer upper classmen players that were not recruited out of high school. Fred left Prohm with roster problems because he never weened the team off the transfer train. Whether that is good or bad or otherwise is subject to debate with a broader scope of only wins/losses. Remains to be seen whether Prohm will continue the practice once he's had a couple years.

We don't need to sign 3-4 four star HS players every year, but to your point, hopefully we can add at least 2-3 HS kids each year. If you assume that half work out well, and half don't cut it, at least you get a foundation to work from.

Even though we have had lots of success with transfers and jucos, when you consider Monte, Matt, Georges, Naz and Ejim over our recent 5-year run, we still needed some good HS kids. Without the players I listed, we may have made the tourney once or twice in that span, IMO.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Very few of the transfers we got under Fred were highly touted. Royce was the only highly ranked one really.

BDJ was considered a top transfer when he came.

 

[gnarlyboy]

Disagree with this. There isn't a roster problem bc of relying on transfers JUCO or D1. This is by design and not some flaw. Prohm has said himself he will continue to go after a combo of HS, JUCO and transfers. That is the way to get the best talent possible to Ames and not have down years. It would only stop if ISU could recruit at an elite level for HS players but I don see that happening anytime soon and I still think they would go after good transfers in that case as well bc everyone does now. Like I said, the only holdouts seem to be some Big 10 schools like Iowa and Wisconsin. And look at Iowa's roster next year... Ouch
The only way ISU stops pursuing transfers is if the NCAA stops it but I don't see that happening.

Not suggesting teams not supplement with jucos or transfers to fill needs, only that having a core of primarily high school recruits adds stability to the team, rather than relying heavily on signing numbers of new upper classmen every year, especially in todays environment. There is something to be said about having primarily players who are actually assimilated into the Univ, kids that bond and go through the system together, instead of just putting on a jersey for a year or two. There may also be an issue of successfully attracting some high school recruits when they know the history is there to cause more than the normal concern about being 'recruited over'. I'm not anti jucos/transfers, only questioning the volume.

 

[rholtgraves]

Not suggesting teams not supplement with jucos or transfers to fill needs, only that having a core of primarily high school recruits adds stability to the team, rather than relying heavily on signing numbers of new upper classmen every year, especially in todays environment. There is something to be said about having primarily players who are actually assimilated into the Univ, kids that bond and go through the system together, instead of just putting on a jersey for a year or two. There may also be an issue of successfully attracting some high school recruits when they know the history is there to cause more than the normal concern about being 'recruited over'. I'm not anti jucos/transfers, only questioning the volume.

I think it's been balanced quite well actually. Look at the key contributors of the past few teams and it's a good mix of HS and transfers and if you are going to a top program you will be recruited over if you aren't good enough whether it's a transfer or better recruit. So I don't think that is anymore of a deterrent for kids if they are playing for a top 25 team.
I don't think it matters really if you are there one, two or four years. If you are good you are good. I think you get the best players available regardless of where they come from. But that's just me. Now if ISU can start landing top 50 players on a consistent basis then that's different

 

[srjclone]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but we inquired about Malik Newman apparently. http://www.clarionledger.com/story/.../85337558/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

 

[Nycclone]

Prohm has been following him on Twitter for about a week now so this news isn't really shocking. As to whether we have any chance is a totally different question though.

Not sure if this was posted yet, but we inquired about Malik Newman apparently. http://www.clarionledger.com/story/.../85337558/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Not suggesting teams not supplement with jucos or transfers to fill needs, only that having a core of primarily high school recruits adds stability to the team, rather than relying heavily on signing numbers of new upper classmen every year, especially in todays environment. There is something to be said about having primarily players who are actually assimilated into the Univ, kids that bond and go through the system together, instead of just putting on a jersey for a year or two. There may also be an issue of successfully attracting some high school recruits when they know the history is there to cause more than the normal concern about being 'recruited over'. I'm not anti jucos/transfers, only questioning the volume.

I'm glad you aren't making roster decisions.

 

[CarlHungus]

BDJ was considered a top transfer when he came.

I don't remember for sure, but weren't Chris Allen and Korie Lucious also considered highly sought-after transfers?

 

[IASTATE07]

I'm not sure about Lucious. It seems like it was down to between us and Marquette, but Marquette really wasn't interested.

 

[NATEizKING]

"He visited hometown Marquette, but the Golden Eagles wanted to wait until the end of the season before deciding whether to offer a scholarship to Lucious.

He turned down an invitation to Baylor last weekend, and signed an Iowa State financial aid agreement Wednesday."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/ex-michigan-state-guard-korie-lucious-to-transfer-to-iowa-state/1#.V1HQUPkrKHt


Lucious playing on an MSU team, traitor!

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...2-million-the-basketball-tournament/84202938/

 

[heitclone]

In hindsight Fred brought in great players as transfers but before they played for ISU none were necessarily studs. Royce White was a big name but hadn't played a minute of cbb, Allen and Lucious were solid players at MSU but not superstars. I think its overrated that ISU got "high profile" transfers, those were the only 3 guys that would have been big names and only Allen and Lucious were names that the average cbb fan would have known. None of us had heard of Deandre Kane until he came here, same with Nader and Clyburn, Chris Babb was an ok player at Penn St but again, not a superstar. I'd say Bowie and Holden are players who aren't much different from any of those guys, guys who were quality players that put up solid numbers at their previous school.

I think most of us were just as guilty of being kind of ignorant to the transfer world until Fred got here, that's probably why most of us got caught up in the transfer U stuff, it was new to us, we are more aware/used to it now (or spoiled) so we expect every transfer to be a stud. In reality, not much has changed, other than that we targeted guys with specific skill sets this season to fill roles we were lacking.

 

[heitclone]

Not suggesting teams not supplement with jucos or transfers to fill needs, only that having a core of primarily high school recruits adds stability to the team, rather than relying heavily on signing numbers of new upper classmen every year, especially in todays environment. There is something to be said about having primarily players who are actually assimilated into the Univ, kids that bond and go through the system together, instead of just putting on a jersey for a year or two. There may also be an issue of successfully attracting some high school recruits when they know the history is there to cause more than the normal concern about being 'recruited over'. I'm not anti jucos/transfers, only questioning the volume.

I get your point but look at the last 2 years, we just graduated 4yr player Georges Niang, Abdel Nader was in the program 3 years, same with McKay, this year we have 4 year players Monte and Matt, along with 5th year Sr Naz long and transfer Deonte Burton who has been here for 3 years. That's 7 guys in 2 season who have been on campus for at least 3 years.

Lost in all the negative talk about transfers is the fact that Fred's culture, the culture that turned the program around was almost 100% due to the transfers who sat out his first few years. Deandre Kane's "Focus Town" comes to mind. We had 5 or 6 guys who had to sit after their transfer year, none got in trouble, they used to time to become better players and young men. They brought maturity and stability to a program that was reeling.

 

[isu83]

I agree. Get the best players regardless of whether a transfer, juco or high school player. I just want to win.

I still think we're a long shot, but it says a lot about this staff. They understand our weaknesses, and are not afraid to go get the talent needed to fix them, and it doesn't matter what form.

 

[isucy86]

I think Fred was one of the first guys to really see the value of transfers, whether they were players immediately eligible or guys that had to sit a year. I think Fred's NBA experience exposed him to guys with lifestyle or off court habits that still played hoops at a high level. So it didn't bother him to take a risk on guys like White, Allen or Lucious. I might be wrong, but Prohm seems more a traditional college coach- so he might take fewer risks.

With grad transfers, Fred was a visionary. A school like ISU wasn't going to sign McDonald AA one & done level talent. But he could sell his NBA GM experiece and connections to grad transfers. Grad transfers don't provide the upside of a Ben Simmons, but they offer maturity and consistency based on their playing experience.

 

[spinback32]

I think Fred was one of the first guys to really see the value of transfers, whether they were players immediately eligible or guys that had to sit a year. I think Fred's NBA experience exposed him to guys with lifestyle or off court habits that still played hoops at a high level. So it didn't bother him to take a risk on guys like White, Allen or Lucious. I might be wrong, but Prohm seems more a traditional college coach- so he might take fewer risks.

With grad transfers, Fred was a visionary. A school like ISU wasn't going to sign McDonald AA one & done level talent. But he could sell his NBA GM experiece and connections to grad transfers. Grad transfers don't provide the upside of a Ben Simmons, but they offer maturity and consistency based on their playing experience.

I would take DeAndre Kane's 1 year over Ben Simmons' 1 year 10/10 times.

 

[WastedTalent]

I would take DeAndre Kane's 1 year over Ben Simmons' 1 year 10/10 times.

I'm hoping you mean Iowa St's year with Kane over LSU's year with Simmons, and you're not talking about the players' year.

 

[wgleason]

In hindsight Fred brought in great players as transfers but before they played for ISU none were necessarily studs. Royce White was a big name but hadn't played a minute of cbb, Allen and Lucious were solid players at MSU but not superstars. I think its overrated that ISU got "high profile" transfers, those were the only 3 guys that would have been big names and only Allen and Lucious were names that the average cbb fan would have known. None of us had heard of Deandre Kane until he came here, same with Nader and Clyburn, Chris Babb was an ok player at Penn St but again, not a superstar. I'd say Bowie and Holden are players who aren't much different from any of those guys, guys who were quality players that put up solid numbers at their previous school.

I think most of us were just as guilty of being kind of ignorant to the transfer world until Fred got here, that's probably why most of us got caught up in the transfer U stuff, it was new to us, we are more aware/used to it now (or spoiled) so we expect every transfer to be a stud. In reality, not much has changed, other than that we targeted guys with specific skill sets this season to fill roles we were lacking.

I was way too familiar with it during McDormat era.

 

[CarlHungus]

I'm hoping you mean Iowa St's year with Kane over LSU's year with Simmons, and you're not talking about the players' year.

Eh, it's not that far-fetched.
Kane: PPG 17.1, RPG 6.8, APG 5.9, FG% 48.3, Turnovers per game 2.9
Simmons: PPG 19.2, RPB 11.8, APG 4.8, FG% 56, Turnovers per game 3.4

Simmons has better stats, but it's not like it's totally one-sided

 

[flynnhicks03]

Eh, it's not that far-fetched.
Kane: PPG 17.1, RPG 6.8, APG 5.9, FG% 48.3, Turnovers per game 2.9
Simmons: PPG 19.2, RPB 11.8, APG 4.8, FG% 56, Turnovers per game 3.4

Simmons has better stats, but it's not like it's totally one-sided

Kane was a leader. Simmons was just looking to get drafted.

 

[hoosman]

I agree that there needs to be a combination of transfer HS and juco. I don't agree that transfer students are categorically more mature. Look at Royce, BDJ, McKay, and Cooke - all ticking time bombs. Then look at Ejim, Naz, Matty, Niang, and Monte - guys who bleed cardinal and gold. You can paint the picture any way you want.