***Official 2013 Bracketology Thread***
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Why wouldn't he? They have much better computer numbers than us and they don't have any terrible losses like we do.
A little blind-resume fun.
Each of these teams is an at-large lock. Which one do you seed higher — more accurately, which should come first on the S-curve?
Team A
Winning Pct: .824
RPI: 5
SOS: 7
Conf RPI/SOS: 13/63
Non-conf RPI/SOS: 6/18
Home: 14-1
Road: 6-2
Neutral: 2-1
vs RPI-top 10: 0-1
vs top 25: 4-2
vs 26-50: 6-1
vs 51-75: 1-0
vs 76-100: 1-0
vs 101-150: 2-0
vs 151-200: 2-0
vs 201-250: 3-1
vs. 251-plus: 2-0
Team B
Winning Pct.: .928
RPI: 9
SOS: 57
Conf RPI/SOS: 23/169
Non-conf RPI/SOS: 11/19
Home: 12-1
Road: 9-1
Neutral: 4-0
vs RPI-top 10: 0-0
vs top 25: 2-1
vs 26-50: 3-1
vs 51-75: 2-0
vs 76-100: 4-0
vs 101-150: 2-0
vs 151-200: 6-0
vs 201-250: 1-0
vs 251-plus: 5-0
Each of these teams is an at-large lock. Which one do you seed higher — more accurately, which should come first on the S-curve?
Team A
Winning Pct: .824
RPI: 5
SOS: 7
Conf RPI/SOS: 13/63
Non-conf RPI/SOS: 6/18
Home: 14-1
Road: 6-2
Neutral: 2-1
vs RPI-top 10: 0-1
vs top 25: 4-2
vs 26-50: 6-1
vs 51-75: 1-0
vs 76-100: 1-0
vs 101-150: 2-0
vs 151-200: 2-0
vs 201-250: 3-1
vs. 251-plus: 2-0
Team B
Winning Pct.: .928
RPI: 9
SOS: 57
Conf RPI/SOS: 23/169
Non-conf RPI/SOS: 11/19
Home: 12-1
Road: 9-1
Neutral: 4-0
vs RPI-top 10: 0-0
vs top 25: 2-1
vs 26-50: 3-1
vs 51-75: 2-0
vs 76-100: 4-0
vs 101-150: 2-0
vs 151-200: 6-0
vs 201-250: 1-0
vs 251-plus: 5-0
That is completely wrong if that is the case. How can anyone remove head to head from determing seeding, especially when you are down to nitpicking resumes because they are fairly even.
Team B because Team A has that loss against a Top 201-250 RPI team. Also Team B only has two losses and a very similar non-conference SOS despite having a weaker conference SOS. Team A is Kansas, Team B is Gonzaga.
No head-to-head, but there's more connection than many side-by-sides: 3 common opponents — Both teams have beaten two that are top-25, one of them twice; other top-50 "Team 1" is 1-1, Team 2 1-0.
You and BigBake guessed the teams (you guys are fast!)
I can accept your argument for B, although I'd go with A (and it's close).
Maybe I'm crazy. I posted the comparison because I assumed I was missing something. The high-profile Bracket Boys, Lundardi & Palm, still have Gonzaga above KU (and both have GU at a 1-seed -- I won't argue that either way right now) -- Palm has 2 seed lines between the teams. I don't think I could find 4 resumes to drive between those teams, either way.
The obvious black-eye for KU is the TCU loss. That almost guarantees KU won't get a 1-seed. But between these two in the pecking order, check the rest, especially opponents involved in each team's "big wins" (top-25-ish):
KU-GU
It feels like Gonzaga is getting more credit than KU for beating the same Big 12 teams.
I know, all of GU's wins vs. Big 12 were away from home, but KU also beat KSU in a true road game (GU's was neutral) ... and also, KSU & OU are the only top-25 wins for Gonzaga.
And that's it for top-25 wins for GU. Between that and the St. Mary's (Gonzaga's other two top-50 wins) KU has beaten five teams — Ohio State (road), Colorado, St. Louis (neutral), Iowa State and Temple — with higher RPI than St. Mary's. (I'm not even counting Belmont)
If isu beats ku and osu, those are two more quality wins....do a little damage in the big 12 tourney and we may end up being a 5 seed
I think I'm with you on the quality wins trumping the bad loss.
And there certainly isn't a lot of difference -- I wouldn't have paid any attention until I saw the previous Palm may have had KU at 4 and GU at 1. So I got curious.
