Nick Noskowiak

[GTO]

I would like to hear why you are the cyclone fanatic police?

You tell me, detective. You're asking for answers and everyone is bending over backwards to give you all kinds of plausible explanations. All you do is say: "no, that's not it". After a while you just give the impression that you have one theory you believe to be true (that he was overrated), so why keep asking? If you believe that strongly in your theory to immediately discredit all others, why even bother to keep requesting explanations?

The only thing that makes sense is that you want to convince everyone that he as overrated while no one here other than SwarthmoreCy agrees with you. Might as well drop it.

 

[CyJack13]

Next year, assuming Fred is back, with TJ having been on his feet a little long, I would imagine we would be able to land at least one premium transfer. Especially if Morris is back. We will have a minimum of two starting spots up for grabs.

I don't know, there's so much more competition on transfers now than just two years ago. More and more teams are holding scholarships open. Arizona, Mich St, Louisville, Georgetown and other schools of that caliber have been very active in the transfer market this year. It's going to get harder and harder to land the elite type guys.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, obviously not all situations are the same, but it's not like we're beating out the Kentucky's of the world for high school talent. With a few exceptions, Fred has done a pretty good job at identifying talent

You know, I don't disagree but we have missed on some pretty heavily recruited guys that we beat out solid teams for. Guys like Custer, Okoro and SDW. We hit on Naz, Niang and Monte but for the most part, I would call it average at the HS level. It's not bad, but it's not great. The thing is, though, we were able to get transfers of whatever sort to fit in and Fred is able to see the fit better than most in those situations. The ability of a transfer is mostly known so identifying the talent in a guy isn't the hard part.

For us to improve I do think high school evaluation has to get just a little better. We won't be getting a bunch of those top 50 guys but we need to be able to identify those guys in the 50-150 range who are underrated or under-appreciated. IMO, the two best players in the Hoiberg era are those types. They will also give you 3-4 years of production. That's not saying I want to stay away from the Vaughns and Diallos of the world.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You tell me, detective. You're asking for answers and everyone is bending over backwards to give you all kinds of plausible explanations. All you do is say: "no, that's not it". After a while you just give the impression that you have one theory you believe to be true (that he was overrated), so why keep asking? If you believe that strongly in your theory to immediately discredit all others, why even bother to keep requesting explanations?

The only thing that makes sense is that you want to convince everyone that he as overrated while no one here other than SwarthmoreCy agrees with you. Might as well drop it.

Explanations I've received:

1. Only USC and ISU had room to take the risk on uber talented NN
2-1000. Why do you hate NN so much we don't have any guards. TJ and Custer. It's obvious. Trust Fred. Didn't you know he was signed to MU? We were so good he couldn't play here. We were so good he didn't want to come here.

Half my replies have been explaining to people I don't hate him.

Hell, when I first asked this I was hoping someone had some information that easily explained why it was so easy for ISU to get a kid who is so highly regarded. Why would I want to believe NN is bad? I have no motive to believe that? It just seems like the most likely explanation that teams have little interest in him is because he's not a top 80 player. Which isn't the worst thing in the world. But nobody could possibly entertain that thought so I just get a chorus of people telling me to shut up. I don't really care. I'm just interested in our recruiting and what's going on. Put me on ignore if it bothers you that much.

 

[CarlHungus]

You know, I don't disagree but we have missed on some pretty heavily recruited guys that we beat out solid teams for. Guys like Custer, Okoro and SDW. We hit on Naz, Niang and Monte but for the most part, I would call it average at the HS level. It's not bad, but it's not great. The thing is, though, we were able to get transfers of whatever sort to fit in and Fred is able to see the fit better than most in those situations. The ability of a transfer is mostly known so identifying the talent in a guy isn't the hard part.

For us to improve I do think high school evaluation has to get just a little better. We won't be getting a bunch of those top 50 guys but we need to be able to identify those guys in the 50-150 range who are underrated or under-appreciated. IMO, the two best players in the Hoiberg era are those types. They will also give you 3-4 years of production. That's not saying I want to stay away from the Vaughns and Diallos of the world.

I think with TJ back on staff, we're going to have more luck. I'm not a Matt hater (grateful for the transfers he got us), but TJ's track record is much better w/ high school talent. How he was able to get a 5 star Craig Brackins under McDermott is pretty amazing

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Not enough stars. Do not want.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Well I haven't seen our name mentioned with any big name transfers this year and we took Babb who is by far the least proven transfer we have ever taken. Every other transfer was either highly recruited out of high school or had at least proven production early in their career.

And we always got premium transfers with Matt.... Royce White, Kane, BDJ were all premium guys and guys like Babb, Clyburn, Nader, and Lucious were proven to some extent.

And I do think that our ability/willingness to get top level transfers has diminished, which doesn't make much sense to me with all the available PT in 16/17.

Those guys were all damaged goods- premium talent at discounted prices. Babb was far from a impact transfer in 2010. Clyburn was a big get, but was a 2 for 1 guy, plus we had long established relationship with him. We have always had an edge- damaged goods/previous connection. Washington is the only transfer that fits that, and he may not be a impact guy. Again, without MA our success in getting even these types may be less.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Here's an example: ESPN 82nd ranked prospect Kenny Williams decommitts from VCU after Smart leaves sometime in early April.


http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/04/4-star_guard_kenny_williams_a.html

This article cites Michigan and North Carolina (consensus pre season top 5 team) as initial suitors and this quote:

"There will be a lot of schools with interest," Manns said. "He can kind of pick and choose where he wants to go. He's in a very favorable position right now."


And he is apparently visiting Virginia.

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello Apr 19
Former VCU signee Kenny Williams is on an official to North Carolina today and tomorrow. Will take an unofficial to Virginia on Tuesday.


This kid is ranked 10 spots behind Noskowiak by ESPN. And he's visiting preseason top 10 teams and Michigan.

 

[GiantMidget]

Explanations I've received:

1. Only USC and ISU had room to take the risk on uber talented NN
2-1000. Why do you hate NN so much we don't have any guards. TJ and Custer. It's obvious. Trust Fred. Didn't you know he was signed to MU? We were so good he couldn't play here. We were so good he didn't want to come here.

Half my replies have been explaining to people I don't hate him.

Hell, when I first asked this I was hoping someone had some information that easily explained why it was so easy for ISU to get a kid who is so highly regarded. Why would I want to believe NN is bad? I have no motive to believe that? It just seems like the most likely explanation that teams have little interest in him is because he's not a top 80 player. Which isn't the worst thing in the world. But nobody could possibly entertain that thought so I just get a chorus of people telling me to shut up. I don't really care. I'm just interested in our recruiting and what's going on. Put me on ignore if it bothers you that much.

1001 - you are so dense that you can't understand that you are trying to defend yourself against everyone who has posted in this thread.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Those guys were all damaged goods- premium talent at discounted prices. Babb was far from a impact transfer in 2010. Clyburn was a big get, but was a 2 for 1 guy, plus we had long established relationship with him. We have always had an edge- damaged goods/previous connection. Washington is the only transfer that fits that, and he may not be a impact guy. Again, without MA our success in getting even these types may be less.

Whatever you want to call them they were talented or proven D1 basketball players. And that was coming off of no or minimal success. I just think it's a little silly to say we never got the premium transfers. We definitely did. Kane might be the biggest grad transfer the past few years in CBB. BDJ was a top 5 transfer going into last year. Royce maybe have been damaged goods but if he wanted to he could've gone to Kentucky.

I do agree that our ability seems diminished without Matt.

 

[GiantMidget]

Time to shut this down:

 

[Rhoadhoused]

1001 - you are so dense that you can't understand that you are trying to defend yourself against everyone who has posted in this thread.

I'm sorry, Giant Midget. I don't think being in the minority opinion makes you automatically wrong and and I don't think half the people disagreeing with me are actually disagreeing with opinions I have really presented. Just what they assume I think.

 

[GiantMidget]

I'm sorry, Giant Midget. I don't think being in the minority opinion makes you automatically wrong and and I don't think half the people disagreeing with me are actually disagreeing with opinions I have really presented. Just what they assume I think.

You are right, being in the minority doesnt make you wrong. But, when everyone else is opposing what you say, maybe you should think twice about what you are saying...

Pretty easy logic there boss.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You are right, being in the minority doesnt make you wrong. But, when everyone else is opposing what you say, maybe you should think twice about what you are saying...

Pretty easy logic there boss.

I think about 3 or 4 of the 20 people talking about this have thought twice about it and you certainly aren't one of them.

Keep trying your stupid spiderman stuff that literally nobody has replied to yet. Everyone seems to agree about how awesome those are.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Here's an example: ESPN 82nd ranked prospect Kenny Williams decommitts from VCU after Smart leaves sometime in early April.


http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/04/4-star_guard_kenny_williams_a.html

This article cites Michigan and North Carolina (consensus pre season top 5 team) as initial suitors and this quote:

"There will be a lot of schools with interest," Manns said. "He can kind of pick and choose where he wants to go. He's in a very favorable position right now."

Well he'd be a fallback for Michigan if they don't land Jaylen Brown and a fallback for NC if they don't land Brown or Ingram because both of those schools only have one scholly to give and both schools previously recruited him.

So that quote isn't exactly saying that he can pick between Mich and UNC as I see it.

 

[GiantMidget]

I think about 3 or 4 of the 20 people talking about this have thought twice about it and you certainly aren't one of them.

Keep trying your stupid spiderman stuff that literally nobody has replied to yet. Everyone seems to agree about how awesome those are.

And the butthurt starts to show.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Well he'd be a fallback for Michigan if they don't land Jaylen Brown and a fallback for NC if they don't land Brown or Ingram because both of those schools only have one scholly to give and both schools previously recruited him.

So that quote isn't exactly accurate as I see it.

Why didn't anyone try to recruit NN as a fall back? I'm not sure it's so cut and dry either.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

And the butthurt starts to show.

Ok buddy. Have a good night.

 

[acgclone]

Why didn't anyone try to recruit NN as a fall back? I'm not sure it's so cut and dry either.

You've asked the question 10 times and there are probably 25 answers in this thread.

There's no point in discussing it any more really.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Whatever you want to call them they were talented or proven D1 basketball players. And that was coming off of no or minimal success. I just think it's a little silly to say we never got the premium transfers. We definitely did. Kane might be the biggest grad transfer the past few years in CBB. BDJ was a top 5 transfer going into last year. Royce maybe have been damaged goods but if he wanted to he could've gone to Kentucky. I do agree that our ability seems diminished without Matt.

I'm Anthony Lee. Sell me on coming to ISU, a place where I for sure won't start. Sell me on that when there are a dozen other teams where I will walk in and start. You people worrying about the elite transfer stuff are ridiculous. There are no obvious holes. Kane had an obvious spot. BDJ had an obvious spot. Royce had about 3 obvious spots. In fact, all of the 1 year transfer guys had great opportunities here and there isn't that this year. Those elite level guys are trying to get into the NBA and when you won't even start, I assume it's hard to see that. Fred can't be as effective using his connections for a guy who he plays 18 minutes a game. Get over it. Next year, we will be in for a bunch of elite level grad transfers due to the fact our lineup will be wide open.