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Judoka said:
There was a path for Long to get back on the team, just like Montell Marion came back for Iowa in the second semester. Long decided to get out of Ames, otherwise he would have been starting for us second semester.
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Yep...was supposed to come back after the semester started but decided that he needed a fresh start in a place that people wouldn't judge him like they prolly would here. Just wish he woulda got his crap together earlier. He would been great for our lineup.
 
buf87 said:
125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141
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honest question for you-not doubting you but hoping you can explain:

if weatherman is going to cut to 149 next year, why in the hell didn't he do it this year??? kind of the same for ward-i just don't see him going back down, and if he does, i don't think he'll be near as effective.
 
The only reason I see Weatherman cutting down is I don't think he can beat Moreno for the 157 spot. So faced with the choice of making the cut or not starting, I think that he might try. He's got the next 8 months to do it, so with a nutritionist helping him out I have to think it would be doable.
 
ISU BET said:
honest question for you-not doubting you but hoping you can explain:

if weatherman is going to cut to 149 next year, why in the hell didn't he do it this year??? kind of the same for ward-i just don't see him going back down, and if he does, i don't think he'll be near as effective.
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Because Carr was supposed to be there, and having them both in the lineup gives us the best chance at points. Weatherman was 152 in college, so he could make it down there. Or else he needs to pull what Reader did this year. Reader had a smaller frame than most of the 174s, but he had tree trunk legs and was the strongest wrestler on the mat every match.
 
brett108 said:
Because Carr was supposed to be there, and having them both in the lineup gives us the best chance at points. Weatherman was 152 in college, so he could make it down there. Or else he needs to pull what Reader did this year. Reader had a smaller frame than most of the 174s, but he had tree trunk legs and was the strongest wrestler on the mat every match.
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going from one of the weakest to one of the strongest in the same weight class in 1 year is next to impossible. i hope you are right and he can make the cut back down-same with ward
 
ISU BET said:
going from one of the weakest to one of the strongest in the same weight class in 1 year is next to impossible. i hope you are right and he can make the cut back down-same with ward
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Agreed. I think Reader looked great at 174 because he could keep the muscle that made him effective. If he went to 165, he had to shed a bunch of good weight, adn you could see how much it hurt him last year.
 
buf87 said:
125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141
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Sorenson has the capability to be an AA, but I don't agree with Spangler being a national title contender. What has he done to deserve that recognition?

Gadsen will be one to watch next year, but 197 is not an easy weight to make your college debut in.
 
What's your pass/fail for next year? Dual record, Big 12 finish, national finish?
 
nwiafan said:
Sorenson has the capability to be an AA, but I don't agree with Spangler being a national title contender. What has he done to deserve that recognition?

Gadsen will be one to watch next year, but 197 is not an easy weight to make your college debut in.
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A win over one of this year's finalists? He would have been seeded if he hadn't sprained his ankle at Big XIIs. I wouldn't say he'll be a favorite by any means, but I think it's legit to say he's at the very least a pretty safe bet to AA.
 
buf87 said:
125 - Finch -the real deal, potential 4 time AA
- Backup Jones
133 - Cash
Schlosser could wrestle as a true freshman, need to see how bad the year off hurt him. Pena will Redshirt for the future.
141 - Goettl - not sure he's ready for D1 yet.
Not sure on Mayfield
149 - Mayfield and Weatherman to battle it out.
157 - Moreno - has the potential to be very good if he can manage the weight cut
If not Weatherman if he isn't cutting to 149
165 - Sorenson - if healthy a National title contender
174 - Spangler - if healthy a National title contender
184 - Ward - Not sure on his ability to make the cut back down. (That's the plan)
Shafer will be a good backup and push whoever's there
197 - Gadsen - if healthy has potential to AA
backup Ward, Voelker, Hawes
Hwt - Simonson being pushed by Gibson

The only true freshman I see possible wrestling is Schlosser at 133 or 141
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Good thoughts, but....Spangler can't stay healthy. Hope Sorenson is healthy but who knows. As has been said in other posts, Ward cant get to 184 and be effective. Gadsen was also injured this season - can he stay healthy? Is Simonson coming back??? He also has a few injuries. I'd love to see all these guys wrestling, just not sure yet.

Shafer has improved a bunch and qualified for the NCAA and you have him as a back up? Think he will continue to improve and imo do very well next year.

Weatherman can't go down to 149 or would have this year. Mayfield doing great imo.

Still way too early to tell, but I guess it's fun to make wish lists.
 
WrestlingWatch said:
Shafer has improved a bunch and qualified for the NCAA and you have him as a back up? Think he will continue to improve and imo do very well next year.
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Unless both Gadsen and Ward can't make 184, I don't see Shafer starting. If both those guys are at 197, then Shafer will be in the line-up and do alright for us. We'll see in a few months though.
 
These are cuts that are part speculation and parts are KJ's plan. He has mentioned Moreno going to 157, so I assume Weatherman goes to 149. I think the expectation were a lot higher for Trent at 157, if we knew what we know now, I think trent might have tried 149. I don't think Carr could be effective at 157 tho. It has been stated that Gadsen is going to 197, so again assume that Ward goes back to 184. I am worried about the health of Gadsen also, so Ward at 197 as the starter or backup doesn't totally bother me. Shafer will be better next year at 184. Health is going to be a BIG PARTof our success! The Big 12 is young, Iowa will be very good. Our schedule will make it tough to make big improvement in our record, but I think we will be a much more balanced tourney team.
 
Cyforce said:
Well if that's the case that's the saddest answer of all. Jackson was counting on a guy that he booted to earn his way back on. I don't follow wrestling that closely but I do know when Long's issues occurred and I know we signed wrestlers well after that date. You really are an apologist for this program.
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"apologist"....A cynic would say that this program has a lot of apologizing to do after a lackluster finish of 20th place.
 
My .02...

125 - Ryak Finch (i think he'll AA 4x)
133 - Cash/Schlosser/Goettl/Hunter/Pena (If Goettl can get down he'll be decent, if not a weak weight for us, if Schlosser makes it to ISU I say throw him in a get some time out of him, Pena is a true fresh and probably will RS but he is pretty talented, maybe Clark will transfer back :) )
141 - Goettl/Mayfield (thoughts are Mayfield may be able to get down, he wrestled decently last year for a walk-on)
149 - Cozart/Weatherman (rumor has it Weatherman may drop, he was too small this year for 157 Cozart was a 4xer for Brandon FL)
157 - Moreno/Weatherman (Moreno wrestled pretty good at 165 during his RS, and KJ is already on record stating he's going 157 he and St. John were decently close in high school.)
165 - Sorenson/Moreno/Spangler (hopefully Sorenson recorvers, i've heard his elbow keeps popping out and will require surgery, Spangler beat the runner-up this year so he has a legitimate shot at AA'ing)
174 - Spangler/England (England was about .500, if Sorenson is healthy Spangler will be here, he will be a AA contender at either weight IMO)
184 - Ward/Riley/Gadsen/Shafer - (rumor is Gadsen's the man at 197 which would mean Ward has to cut down to 184, Riley could develop into a good one, Ward could be great but also can be really bad)
197 - Gadsen/Hawes/Ward (Where-ever Gadsen is i think he's going to AA, maybe not but he's pretty athletic, Shafer showed improvement all year long, he was always able to takedown guys but just couldn't put it together for a whole match, i see him as being a guy like Curran)
HWT - Simonson/Gibson (can Gibson get his academics in order?? also rumor has it Simonson may forgoe his last year for vet school)


Overall we are still a very young team, but the upgrade in talent will be seen immediately. No longer will we have multiple weights w/ walk-ons starting. This is the true start of the KJ tenure. I think we'll be contending for a top 5 finish in des moines in 2013...
 
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You forgot Shafer at 184, but I agree. Health and handling weight cuts are going to be keys for next years team. Lots of the teams we wrestled this year are also young. Cornell and Boise State will get hurt the most, the rest lose 1 or 2.
 
Can someone who can get on Cyclone Report, post that ISU DID sign Swope, HWT. Before NCAA's
 
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