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surly said:
Ku was league champion last year. ISU won the post season tournament.
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Yes, I know. Hence my reference to there being more than "one true champion."

However, if you are going to claim that there was only "one true champion" in basketball, a good case could be made that it was the team awarded the Big 12's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
 
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Cycsk said:
Yes, I know. Hence my reference to there being more than "one true champion."

However, if you are going to claim that there was only "one true champion" in basketball, a good case could be made that it was the team awarded the Big 12's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
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Yeah.....if you win the Big XII regular season conference, you're going to be an automatic bid. Don't let your bias of last year mislead you, any logical person would consider the season champion the true champion, not the tournament champion. If TCU ran the table and somehow won the tournament, everyone would still refer to Kansas as the Big XII champion.

And they say true champion because in both football and basketball you play true round robin (and double round robin) in our conference. You don't get to dodge teams to get there.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
Yeah.....if you win the Big XII regular season conference, you're going to be an automatic bid. Don't let your bias of last year mislead you, any logical person would consider the season champion the true champion, not the tournament champion. If TCU ran the table and somehow won the tournament, everyone would still refer to Kansas as the Big XII champion.

And they say true champion because in both football and basketball you play true round robin (and double round robin) in our conference. You don't get to dodge teams to get there.
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I'm not letting my bias get to me. I was the one who pointed out the irony of the Big 12 using the tagline "one true champion" (mostly because of football) when there are two champions in basketball. And when someone claimed that we weren't really a champion, I made the point that we were the one who got the automatic bid.

I know KU was good last year and deserved to win the season championship. However, technically, we were the only team in the Big 12 to receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament on the basis of our Big 12 championship in the tournament. Of course, other teams are going to be invited with at-large bids and may be highly seeded, but only one team gets the "conference champion" automatic bid . . . and it was us.
 
Cycsk said:
I'm not letting my bias get to me. I was the one who pointed out the irony of the Big 12 using the tagline "one true champion" (mostly because of football) when there are two champions in basketball. And when someone claimed that we weren't really a champion, I made the point that we were the one who got the automatic bid.

I know KU was good last year and deserved to win the season championship. However, technically, we were the only team in the Big 12 to receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament on the basis of our Big 12 championship in the tournament. Of course, other teams are going to be invited with at-large bids and may be highly seeded, but only one team gets the "conference champion" automatic bid . . . and it was us.
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So if TCU won four games in the conference tournament you'd call them the conference champions over Kansas, who won more games against conference foes in an 18 game span than any other team?
 
CysRage said:
Are the white and red ones for gold jerseys or something?
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Maybe the white away jerseys?

Also, the ones one top look more like stickers than patches. Any wild guesses there? They have both colors, the gold and cardinal XII

I for one, would love to buy a couple of these. Logo looks really sharp.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
So if TCU won four games in the conference tournament you'd call them the conference champions over Kansas, who won more games against conference foes in an 18 game span than any other team?
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The NCAA would. Regardless of what you or I think about a team that does better in the tournament than the regular season, the NCAA would give them the automatic bid for being conference champion. That is my only point.
 
Cycsk said:
The NCAA would. Regardless of what you or I think about a team that does better in the tournament than the regular season, the NCAA would give them the automatic bid for being conference champion. That is my only point.
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I think they'd call them the conference tournament champion. Maybe we're splitting hairs, because it doesn't matter, the whole purpose of the conference tournaments is a cash grab anyway.
 
Cycsk said:
The NCAA would. Regardless of what you or I think about a team that does better in the tournament than the regular season, the NCAA would give them the automatic bid for being conference champion. That is my only point.
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it is the postseason championship. that's what the league calls it. so, folks can argue over who is the real league champ, if they choose to do so, i suppose.

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cyrocksmypants said:
So if TCU won four games in the conference tournament you'd call them the conference champions over Kansas, who won more games against conference foes in an 18 game span than any other team?
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Big 12 basketball regular season has a more true champion because of the balanced full schedule…except in years it's thrown for KU.

Virginia won the ACC playing a joke of a schedule compared to the other top teams…but then they won the tournament too so it wasn't as big a deal.

I'm not sure the slogan makes sense for football…yeah it's a more fair schedule and even shared champions would be the most true champions, but the "one" part is kind of weird.
 
HFCS said:
Big 12 basketball regular season has a more true champion because of the balanced full schedule…except in years it's thrown for KU.

Virginia won the ACC playing a joke of a schedule compared to the other top teams…but then they won the tournament too so it wasn't as big a deal.

I'm not sure the slogan makes sense for football…yeah it's a more fair schedule and even shared champions would be the most true champions, but the "one" part is kind of weird.
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the league could easily solve this by saying the head2head winner is champion. that's how most see it anyway.
 
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