Look at their number of conference titles. Look at ours. Who has won more in their past?
National Perception
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Look at their number of conference titles. Look at ours. Who has won more in their past?
Everyone can point to Florida on a map. Iowa State is known as the Hawks or Ohio or whatever.
We AIN'T all that and have basically zero built in advantages other than our team name happens in the area occasionally.
We in trouble...
Too many jobs are open that are way better than us.
That being said. UCF is a sub par team in a sucky conference that has a huge potential.
Not sure what to think about ISU other than we need to start cheating.
Too many jobs are open that are way better than us.
That being said. UCF is a sub par team in a sucky conference that has a huge potential.
Not sure what to think about ISU other than we need to start cheating.
10X? thats a stretch. I dont think ISU is a crappy job at all, but its really simple.... UCF is a massive school, right in the middle of Florida. Those two facts alone but them ahead of ISU. You have to keep in mind, when talking about what is a better job, you have to ask yourself- how quickly can you have success? Yes ISU has the facilites and fans, but truth of the matter is, the state of Iowa has almost zero talent in the HS ranks, and you are in the basement of the Big12. Im not talking crap, just stating reality. So, in terms of how quickly you can find success, its UCF. Plus, Pollard hasnt shown he's willing to shell out top $ for a coach. I think O'Leary has a bigger salary than CPR
Ive been saying this for a few years- UCF is a sleeping giant. Calling UCF a better job than ISU is not a knock on ISU. It just means that UCF has so many resources at its disposal, that it could be a juggernaut with the right coach.
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Again, Pollard should have made the change after last season. I will always wonder if Narduzzi would have come here. Now we are going to be going up against a lot of schools that are going be similar to ISU in terms of prestige. This is not good.
Pardon me... youre 1 team away. And that one team is Kansas, so....
Im not trying to be a jerk, but perception is reality.So even if ISU 'technically" isnt in the basement, I doubt many people around the country would stop someone from making that assumption
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Iowa State is one of the least appealing P5 jobs.... but there are only ~66 P5 jobs. There are really good football coaches at all levels (FBS, FCS, D3, NAIA, high school) throughout the country. There are about 50 of them who would turn down ISU, and the rest would take the job in a heartbeat.
Pat Narduzzi was a highly respected DC at MSU, and has been interviewing for head coaching jobs for years, and finally had to settle for Pitt. You don't think he would have taken the ISU job 2 years ago?
UCF? Go undefeated at UCF, and you make an "access bowl". Lose one game at UCF, and you're in the BBVA Compass Bowl. Go undefeated at ISU, and you're probably in the CFP, otherwise an access bowl. Lose one game and you're playing in an access bowl or some other good bowl.
So, there are good coaches all over the place. Pollard's job is to find a really good one and hire him. Easier said than done, but Iowa State's national perception is not holding him back from many candidates.
Pat Narduzzi was a highly respected DC at MSU, and has been interviewing for head coaching jobs for years, and finally had to settle for Pitt. You don't think he would have taken the ISU job 2 years ago?
UCF? Go undefeated at UCF, and you make an "access bowl". Lose one game at UCF, and you're in the BBVA Compass Bowl. Go undefeated at ISU, and you're probably in the CFP, otherwise an access bowl. Lose one game and you're playing in an access bowl or some other good bowl.
So, there are good coaches all over the place. Pollard's job is to find a really good one and hire him. Easier said than done, but Iowa State's national perception is not holding him back from many candidates.
I agree with much of this, however, it is also true that the perception of our school is in no small part created by people who are not going to do the research. The only way I know to change some of those people's minds on us is to win consistently.
Completely agree with everything, except the UCF part. They just proved that going undefeated gets you a BCS bowl Obviously thiings are different now with the play off, but undefeated there will still get you top 10.
But other than that, completely agree about the ISU job.
This is a really, really, good post. I totally agree.
I think some of us on here have a more "negative" outlook on our current situation (as in attracting a new coach) than it really is. Most of this is just people on this site trying to out clever each other with meme's and pictures of dumpsters.
At this moment in time we don't suck as bad as some of these comedians say we do. Are we good? No. I don't think anybody will dispute that, but some seem to go out of their way to try and portray us as the worst team ever to lace em up.
Do I want to keep Rhoads? Only if it means we win three more games this year. Other than that... I agree he should be gone. I'm fine with that and truly believe ISU would be fully capable of getting a good coach that could do the same or better than CPR.
Will we? That is the question.
Like Kansas did with Charlie Weis and with Turner Gill???? Just blindly paying a big salary does not guarantee success.
I've said this a couple of times but I'll say it again since I love to read my own posts:
Regardless of national perception, one of the best things about JP is that he brings an outstanding pool of candidates to the table. Harbaugh, Kelly and Briles, for instance. But one of the worst things about JP is that he, more often than not, hires the wrong guy from that pool.
Regardless of national perception, one of the best things about JP is that he brings an outstanding pool of candidates to the table. Harbaugh, Kelly and Briles, for instance. But one of the worst things about JP is that he, more often than not, hires the wrong guy from that pool.
How do we know any of those guys would have succeeded at ISU. Because they are now successful at Baylor, Michigan, and Notre Dame? Those places are different than ISU for many reasons.
Some of you act like we'd be them now, if we'd have only hired one of those guys instead of Chiz. There is no guarantee anything would be different now. After all, the guy we DID hire won a national championship at his next stop... wait for it... at Auburn. Again, different than ISU for many reasons. Get it?
we know we haven't been good, but unlike those non P5 schools that some claim is better than ISU, we have P5 level facilities, the ability to put 61,500 in the stands, and have a great home game day atmosphere. Some may have one of those but not all of them. If we win at a higher level, we have a higher ceiling than the non P5 schools.
Care to go into details about the Briles, Harbaugh, and Kelly part? Not being a ****, I just hadnt heard that. Were those the guys that he interviewed with Cheesedick?