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Mr Janny said:
I just don't think so. Here are the top 25 wins that Marshall has had in the last 3 years
Kansas
UNI
Creighton
Gonzaga
Ohio State

3 of those were in the tournament.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach, but that's not the resume of a $4million a year coach.
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Based on that criteria, Marshall is closer to 4 million than Prohm 1.5 million.

How many top-25 wins Marshall had at a MVC program is a pretty poor metric of what he is worth to ISU. Any coach that improves the brand, changes how people view ISU, and is one of the safest bets to keep things rolling is worth $4 million imo. The act of hiring a guy like Marshall for $4 million has value in itself.
 
jim4 said:
Please excuse me if this is a stupid question, but did Marshall succeed pre-CleAnthony Early, Baker, and Van Vleet? If not we may be over-rating him IMO.
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This mind set is so stupid. It takes good players to be a good coach. This is like saying "yeah, but was Phil Jackson a good coach without Jordan, Scottie, Kobe, Shaq, etc..."
 
If the speculation that the "mystery" candidates were Marshall and Altman is correct, I am glad that neither was hired. I don't think Marshall would be a good "fit" here, and Altman, well,...just blah. If we couldn't get Hornacek, my top two choices were TJ and Prohm...and in my view it was basically a coin flip between the two; I had no strong preference between them. As we learn more about what was going on behind the scenes with the search, it seems clear to me that the right hire was made. Time will tell, but I'm pretty optimistic Coach Prohm will be successful here.
 
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Marshall was 151-29 over the last five years with a Final Four, Sweet Sixteen, two other tournament appearances and an NIT championship (the first of those five years). I think WSU is paying him $3.3 million in the latest deal. He's definitely worth that, but $4 million is stretching it a bit. Plus, his personality is the anti-Fred. High ego, high intensity. Appears to be a ****.
 
I know this will bring down the thunder but I'm also glad Hornacek wasn't interested.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
Based on that criteria, Marshall is closer to 4 million than Prohm 1.5 million.

How many top-25 wins Marshall had at a MVC program is a pretty poor metric of what he is worth to ISU. Any coach that improves the brand, changes how people view ISU, and is one of the safest bets to keep things rolling is worth $4 million imo. The act of hiring a guy like Marshall for $4 million has value in itself.
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Correct. There is a reason he was mentioned with many of the big $ coaching searches over the last couple years. He and Shaka Smart have been the two most desired candidates. Both turned down great opportunities and very big paychecks until Smart finally found the right fit at Texas. Marshall would have been a home run hire, but I really doubt he ever had interest.
 
Marshall is overrated. Dominating a terrible valley (and overrated teams within) and then largely just beating overrated teams in the tourney (Kansas the only one I'll really give credit for) is not a 4mil a year coach. 4mil a year should practically be a guarantee of success, Marshall still has most of the risks of any other midmajor coach moving up.
 
alarson said:
Marshall is overrated. Dominating a terrible valley (and overrated teams within) and then largely just beating overrated teams in the tourney (Kansas the only one I'll really give credit for) is not a 4mil a year coach. 4mil a year should practically be a guarantee of success, Marshall still has most of the risks of any other midmajor coach moving up.
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Yep. Altman was the better coach when they were in the Missouri Valley together.

Hell GMAC beat Marshall's team that went to the final four 2 out of 3 times, and won the regular season and tournament championships over them.
 
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alarson said:
Marshall is overrated. Dominating a terrible valley (and overrated teams within) and then largely just beating overrated teams in the tourney (Kansas the only one I'll really give credit for) is not a 4mil a year coach. 4mil a year should practically be a guarantee of success, Marshall still has most of the risks of any other midmajor coach moving up.
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Marshall's run with WSU to the Final 4 three years ago and sustained success since then makes anyone calling him overrated look extremely silly. He would have been, by far, the least risky long-term candidate for ISU.

That said, he also would have been a somewhat poor fit with the returning players in terms of style of play and demeanor and I doubt he would have left WSU for $4M/yr just after receiving a big raise/extension from WSU and essentially promising to Ron Baker and Fred VanVleet that he was returning to WSU. If ISU talked to him, I doubt the discussions went very far.

Regarding Altman, ISU was far better off in the short and long hiring Prohm over him at any price.
 
cykadelic2 said:
Marshall's run with WSU to the Final 4 three years ago and sustained success since then makes anyone calling him overrated look extremely silly. He would have been, by far, the least risky long-term candidate for ISU.

That said, he also would have been a somewhat poor fit with the returning players in terms of style of play and demeanor and I doubt he would have left WSU for $4M/yr just after receiving a big raise/extension from WSU and essentially promising to Ron Baker and Fred VanVleet that he was returning to WSU. If ISU talked to him, I doubt the discussions went very far.

Regarding Altman, ISU was far better off in the short and long hiring Prohm over him at any price.
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not overrated, but also not worth $4 million plus. In the end, yes he has sustained success... in the MVC. He has some big wins... but not very many. He's a great coach... but by several accounts is a little bit of an a-hole.

Would he have been more likely to sustain success at ISU? Initially, sure, but it's far from a sure thing. There are still plenty of questions about guys like Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart regarding their ability to succeed at the power conference level.

Smart wasn't worth $4 million a year to Texas. He got 2.8. Why is Marshall worth $1.2 million more than him?
 
Rural said:
I know this will bring down the thunder but I'm also glad Hornacek wasn't interested.
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This job will be extremely tough for Prohm in terms of living in Fred's shadow, if we hired anther former ISU player, that shadow would be impossible to avoid. It was almost a no win situation for Horny in the long run. Everything he did would be compared to Fred.
 
Mr Janny said:
not overrated, but also not worth $4 million plus. In the end, yes he has sustained success... in the MVC. He has some big wins... but not very many. He's a great coach... but by several accounts is a little bit of an a-hole.

Would he have been more likely to sustain success at ISU? Initially, sure, but it's far from a sure thing. There are still plenty of questions about guys like Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart regarding their ability to succeed at the power conference level.

Smart wasn't worth $4 million a year to Texas. He got 2.8. Why is Marshall worth $1.2 million more than him?
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My aunt lives in a nice house in a nice location, but at some point she knows she will need to move to a condo that has no lawn or yard to attend to. Knowing this, people have asked her if she would be interested in selling to them.

She tells them all that she has a number, but that number is reflective of the fact that she likes where she lives and isn't ready to move yet. No one has met her at her number yet.

Greg Marshall is like that. He's got the world by the *** at Wichita, high pay, easy league and a reputation he can milk for a couple years yet. All he has to do is keep from going to pieces and he can ride that for awhile. And he probably will.
 
cykadelic2 said:
Marshall's run with WSU to the Final 4 three years ago and sustained success since then makes anyone calling him overrated look extremely silly. He would have been, by far, the least risky long-term candidate for ISU.
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Lol, no. His "sustained success" has come in the MVC, after the perrenial top team Creighton left for the Big East. Before then, and even the same year as their final four run, his teams were, at best, on the same level as Altman and GMAC teams.

There's no doubt he build that WSU program up, but to say he has way less risks coming to an upper tier power 5 school, is what's silly. Someday he may make the move and be successful, but he's not dumb. He'll probably hold out to get a school that has established recruiting success, no matter the coach. That will eliminate his biggest risk.
 
Die4Cy said:
My aunt lives in a nice house in a nice location, but at some point she knows she will need to move to a condo that has no lawn or yard to attend to. Knowing this, people have asked her if she would be interested in selling to them.

She tells them all that she has a number, but that number is reflective of the fact that she likes where she lives and isn't ready to move yet. No one has met her at her number yet.

Greg Marshall is like that. He's got the world by the *** at Wichita, high pay, easy league and a reputation he can milk for a couple years yet. All he has to do is keep from going to pieces and he can ride that for awhile. And he probably will.
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And more power to him for being in that position. That's great work if you can get it. It doesn't invalidate my argument, though.
 
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