Only saving grace vs. UM and UW is that they can't get out of their own way either.
Being fundamentally sound is the difference.
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Only saving grace vs. UM and UW is that they can't get out of their own way either.
Being fundamentally sound is the difference.
The Big Ten west has a bunch of Iowa state type teams in it IMO.
Ill, Purdue, UW, Minny and Nebraska Can't get out of their own way. Iowa is the turtle in the race that is steady and just keeps playing defense and using punter to win games.
The big ten is what the old Big 12 North was for a few years when Colorado, K-State and Nebraska all went to crap. The north winner was probably the 3-4th best team in the league. When the Big 12 was formed, All three of those teams were top ten type teams.
Ill, Purdue, UW, Minny and Nebraska Can't get out of their own way. Iowa is the turtle in the race that is steady and just keeps playing defense and using punter to win games.
The big ten is what the old Big 12 North was for a few years when Colorado, K-State and Nebraska all went to crap. The north winner was probably the 3-4th best team in the league. When the Big 12 was formed, All three of those teams were top ten type teams.
So Minnesota and Wisconsin have better defenses then Iowas? Iowas defense is turning out to not be as good as people have said?
And I would say that the big 12 is a much better league than the big ten west. We have played harder competition.
Well they're not much worse.
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Do we think ISU's offense will do anything against...anyone?
If Minnesota could run like that on Iowa, they likely could on ISU.
Considering ISU's lack of ability to generate turnovers into points, or make any plays on special teams, I don't see how they have any solid advantage on UW or UM.
We had few games where our offense did put up some points. Baylor, texas, West Virginia were games that we scored enough to beat the big ten west offenses. Figure Iowa won with 13 against MN and we had a game or two where we had that or so and I can see 3-4 wins extra.Well they're not much worse.
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Do we think ISU's offense will do anything against...anyone?
If Minnesota could run like that on Iowa, they likely could on ISU.
Considering ISU's lack of ability to generate turnovers into points, or make any plays on special teams, I don't see how they have any solid advantage on UW or UM.
I'd disagree with this. Here's why- because Both of these coaching staffs keep doing the same things no matter what. Ergo I'd way we would split 5-5.
What's weird is it's not like the 'they only got up for one game' thing works since ISU was not sharp in the Iowa game either.
They just haven't really improved much over the season.
Iowa fans were silent until now so they are brave enough to trash talk to me about playing in the B10 Championship. I easily shut them up by reminding them that ISU has had a very successful season in that they beat Iowa in Iowa City. I then add, good luck on national tv against Ohio State.
I went and looked, assuming our defenses are pretty similar, I actually think ours is slightly better but lets go with equal for this.
Here are the points they would need to score to win then in this replacement scenario.
11
28
10
55
14
4
11
14
That is less than we needed for the Big 12 games.
Here are the points they would need to score to win then in this replacement scenario.
11
28
10
55
14
4
11
14
That is less than we needed for the Big 12 games.
Sagarin:
1 SEC-WEST (A) = 81.32 81.79 ( 1) 7 81.62 ( 1)
2 BIG 12 (A) = 81.05 80.94 ( 2) 10 80.98 ( 2)
3 PAC-12 NORTH (A) = 79.06 78.38 ( 5) 6 78.63 ( 5)
4 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 78.66 79.02 ( 4) 7 78.73 ( 4)
5 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.52 79.47 ( 3) 7 78.86 ( 3)
6 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 77.21 76.72 ( 6) 7 77.00 ( 6)
7 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 76.00 75.17 ( 7) 7 75.37 ( 7)
That's a pretty substantial difference.
I understand the rankings on the left. What am I looking at with all the other numbers?
There’s an enormous difference in the Big 12 and Big 10 West. Enormous. Stop looking at their performances against each other as some sort of meaningful indication. ISU didn’t take some huge step back and Iowa didn’t make some magical Improvement.
Strength of schedule is the most underrated aspect in college football. It’s not a marginal, 1-2 win type of thing when you are talking about the type of difference Sagarin shows. It shows us essentially what on the field results showed us. There may be little to no overlap between teams in the two leagues/division. We saw last place ISU **** all over itself in that game and beat the best team in the west.
I think people need to understand how drastic the difference is. ISU isn’t beating OSU or Michigan. Every other game is on the table, with a few likely to be WVU type results.
Strength of schedule is the most underrated aspect in college football. It’s not a marginal, 1-2 win type of thing when you are talking about the type of difference Sagarin shows. It shows us essentially what on the field results showed us. There may be little to no overlap between teams in the two leagues/division. We saw last place ISU **** all over itself in that game and beat the best team in the west.
I think people need to understand how drastic the difference is. ISU isn’t beating OSU or Michigan. Every other game is on the table, with a few likely to be WVU type results.
The Iowa and ISU game lived up to its El Assico nickname this year for sure. I said after the game that I didn't think either team is very good and a lot of ISU fans didn't like that take. I still stand behind that even if Iowa wins the West.
That's the point, ISU has had a dismal season and will probably finish in last place after getting hammered by TCU. BUT they beat the mighty Hawks in Iowa City who will probably win the B10 West and then get humiliated on national tv. BTW, this senior class is the only class that can say they beat the Hawkeyes under CMC, which has helped with in-state recruiting this year. Since the series was resumed, how many wins have we had in IC?
Spot on agree with this. Michigan and OSU are losses for sure everyone else is up for debate. Now ISU hasn’t faired well this year in those close games but I could see some extra wins potentially if you got the big ten west schedule.
Not great special teams either. I think Iowa state would kill NW and play 6 tossups if they played the West round robbin
B1G West is obviously bad but aside from Nebby and NW it's not much different from the bottom half of the Big 12.