More Rhoads Speculation

While I absolutely agree with this, I think that it is still important to understand that this in not a destination job.

This is like hawk bb, many mid major, or assistants, will take the million dollar payraise to take their shot and coach here.

I don't think that CPR is going anywhere for at least 3-4 years. But to think that golden opportunities like a Penn St come along every year is silly.

Yes the program is toxic right now, but it is a top ten job, and a place you can win national championships at. I am sure that is CPR's ultimate goal is to win a national championship. He would be foolish to not at least consider top jobs.

That being said, Pitt is not that job. But Penn St. is.


I really don't think that Penn St is a top tier program anymore. When was the last time they won a national championship or seriously competed for one? When was the last time they won a Big Ten title? When Penn St joined the Big Ten many said they would dominate the conference. That has certainly not happened.

The fact is Penn St in recent years has been a very mediocre program despite what their arrogant fanbase believes. Couple that with the recent events, which have led to top player decommits and possible NCAA sanctions. If I were a coach, I'd want no part of that mess.
 
I love CPR, but ISU will never be a big time program, we don't have the $$, fanbase, or population to support a big time program.

Winning brings a larger fanbase. A larger fanbase brings in more money. And we have the population. Iowa has what, the 15th highest average attendance in CFB?

Stop being a *****.
 
Va Tech is another.

I HATE the ISU can never succeed meme. WRONG WRONG WRONG! (Yes, I'm shouting)
Here's another one.

Oklahoma St. (even though they have Boone's money)
Oklahoma and Iowa have are pretty similar population wise, and Okie State has to compete with Oklahoma for support!
 
Winning brings a larger fanbase. A larger fanbase brings in more money. And we have the population. Iowa has what, the 15th highest average attendance in CFB?

Stop being a *****.

I tend to agree with you.
I may be just imagining things, but I swear I have been seeing more Cyclone gear being worn around Des Moines lately.
That could be the result of the enthusiam and interest that Paul Rhoads is bringing to our program. And if what I am seeing is not just a coincidence, I think this is just the beginning.
 
This mindset just bothers the hell out of me. "We can't do it, we are Iowa State" Im really glad Rhoads doesnt think this way, nor do the mindsets of a lot of people that used to think along these lines, my family included, the culture is changing.

And this is really all it takes. It really is as simple as flipping a switch in people's minds and instead of saying, "Woe is us" they being to ask, "Why not us?" Iowa State was bad for a long long time and were constantly the butt of a million jokes about how bad they were. You could count on one hand the number of big upsets and exciting games ISU played against top notch high ranked opponnents. That's changed now. ISU is playing exciting football, it seems like every year now you can expect at least one major upset. And we are way ahead of the game on Fanbase, imo. Getting 50,000 plus to every home game this year, with a team that not many expected to even go to a bowl game this year, that's big. IMO, ISU has only scratched the surface of fans available to them. A lot of programs would kill for ISU's fan support.
 
I love CPR, but ISU will never be a big time program, we don't have the $$, fanbase, or population to support a big time program.

Signed,

FSU

Pre Bowden era


Ok, I also disagree somewhat with brianhos' post, but FSU is a horrible example.

Do you know how many superstar recruits come out of Florida every year? It is true that FSU was a non-entity early on, but once they got rolling, they were turning stud football players away.

Now everyone recruits Florida.


As for ISU, we will have a lot of obstacles between where we are and where we want to be.

We do not have a huge fanbase and the number of bandwagon fans available is small. The Hawks rose to prominence at the same time that college football became a really big deal so everyones dad and grandpa was a Hawk fan. ISU is building the fan base, but there are not a lot of established football fans that can be swayed away from our rivals. Instead we will need to strengthen the existing fanbase and make sure we have more die-hard fans than the other teams. Lots of teams have bandwagon fans that cheer when they are good, but start watching the NFL when they are bad. ISU has a lot of diehard fans from when they were never good. We need to make sure that the fans that we have, are mostly die-hards and support the school at all times. We CAN do that.

Population and available high school talent is a problem for both ISU and Iowa. In order to succeed at a higher level, both schools have focused a lot of effort outside the state. Iowa hits IL, PA, NJ, and OH pretty hard for their better players. ISU has made a lot of improvement by focusing on TX, FL, and CA. It's a lot harder than having 4 stars in your backyard, but it can work. ISU is also doing their best to get the good players in Iowa that they can develop. There aren't a lot of studs in Iowa, but there are players that can develop and contribute. The high school programs in the state, on the whole, are just not good enough to develop players like other states, but some of the raw materials are there.

$$ can be a limiting factor, which is why it is essential to stay in a conference like the Big12. We don't have to have more money than UT to win football games. Yes, they have advantages due to their supprort, but we are doing what we can to gain some ground.

What is the ceiling for ISU? I think, with continued success, and keeping the right coach (you know who) we can get to the level of an Oklahoma State. They are not too many years removed from being one of the easier games on ISUs schedule. Now they are at a level where they can win the conference in a great year, compete for the conference in a good year, and go 7-5/8-4 in a bad year.
They had the huge advantage of having a benefactor but the biggest reason for their success has been having good coaching. There are a lot of schools that throw money at their football program and still don't suceed. If ISU can keep proving it on the field, a strong base of donors will pony up enough to keep us competitive. We have to keep supporting the team and giving CPR a reason to stay. If the team has a few bad years and the stadium empties, it gives CPR a lot less reason to give the extra effort he gives. 2-3mil a year will sound lot better then.
 
Here is the kicker with PSU. Paterno barely made over a million from the university. He made boat loads in other places but that was because of his legacy, PR couldn't get that right away.

I don't think PSU is looking at paying 3 million/year for their next head coach. Anything less than 3 million is not worth leaving for right now.

All in all, PR doesn't leave ISU for PSU.

I only read the first couple pages of this thread and it seems folks consider PSU a threat and Pitt a non-threat.:smile:

Anyway, I think that's just *** backwards. Who the hell wants to replace a legend AND with all the unresolved legal issues they have?

Pitt on the other hand is often referred to as a "sleeping giant" in CFB. In the 70's and early 80's Pitt was considered a premier program. It's been dormant since.....with PSU's implosian?

Who knows, but the Pitt program has been down. Expectations limited...upside high.

I'd be worried about Pitt if I was a Clone fan.
 
Take it for what its worth, here is what is on the Pitt message boards

PAUL ZEISE ON THE FAN
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1. Paul Rhoads is the leading candidate. Thinks Rhoads is an excellent choice, said players would run through a brick wall for Rhoads.

2. Said Rhoads was not interested last time around but is willing to listen this time.
 
I only read the first couple pages of this thread and it seems folks consider PSU a threat and Pitt a non-threat.:smile:

Anyway, I think that's just *** backwards. Who the hell wants to replace a legend AND with all the unresolved legal issues they have?

Pitt on the other hand is often referred to as a "sleeping giant" in CFB. In the 70's and early 80's Pitt was considered a premier program. It's been dormant since.....with PSU's implosian?

Who knows, but the Pitt program has been down. Expectations limited...upside high.

I'd be worried about Pitt if I was a Clone fan.

But you aren't, so you can't possibly understand. Just because Iowa had to pull a rabbit out of the hat to beat that doormat doesn't mean CPR is going to want to wipe his feet on that again.

Here's why Pitt isn't a "sleeping giant:"

1) Steve Pedersen. A provably terrible AD (at least in regards to football) with perhaps the worst track record in Division I and a reputation to match.
2) Garbage for facilities: it is a city school that plays in a pro stadium. Like Temple.
3) Total disarray - this isn't a revival project, its a reclamation.
4) Ridiculous expectations and the haste to match - Wannstedt got fired after going 7-5.

These are serious, fundamental flaws.

Penn State is poison, Pitt is a mess. Neither is attractive right now to any good established coach.

Dream on. The only reason why Rhoads is being mentioned for these is because they are the only ones, this late in the season, that are still open.

There's a reason for that.

I'm more worried about Ferentz going to Kansas City and Iowa swiping CPR from us under the cover of darkness. You carpetbaggers still owe us for Dan Gable.:pwink:
 
Pitt on the other hand is often referred to as a "sleeping giant" in CFB. In the 70's and early 80's Pitt was considered a premier program.

Same place where KF is originally from?

Around the same time Iowa had 19 straight seasons without a winning record? Iowa is a stretched midget. I would be worried about KF leaving for Pitt if I was a hawk fan.



Oh, and their expectations are hardly limited. Posters on the Pitt board are worried about getting a certain coach and having to settle for 9-3 seasons.
 
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I only read the first couple pages of this thread and it seems folks consider PSU a threat and Pitt a non-threat.:smile:

Anyway, I think that's just *** backwards. Who the hell wants to replace a legend AND with all the unresolved legal issues they have?

Pitt on the other hand is often referred to as a "sleeping giant" in CFB. In the 70's and early 80's Pitt was considered a premier program. It's been dormant since.....with PSU's implosian?

Who knows, but the Pitt program has been down. Expectations limited...upside high.

I'd be worried about Pitt if I was a Clone fan.
I'd be worried of Kirk Ferentz leaving for KC if I was you
 
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