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MESS named OC

You can't turn lead into gold.

We were 2-10 three years ago. You can't turnover an 85 player roster in three years. We face a top ten schedule on a yearly basis, yet some of our fans think it just a matter of the plays we run.

That's brilliant logic.:jimlad:
 
A lot of people are mentioning or suggesting that Tom Herman wasn't "All In". Aside from the fact that he took another job that paid better and was at a bigger program, is there something to suggest that Tom Herman wasn't "All In" while he was here. Am I missing some inside information or story that would suggest otherwise.

I'm honestly, just curious. I have no other agenda.
 
BooneCy said:
A lot of people are mentioning or suggesting that Tom Herman wasn't "All In". Aside from the fact that he took another job that paid better and was at a bigger program, is there something to suggest that Tom Herman wasn't "All In" while he was here. Am I missing some inside information or story that would suggest otherwise.

I'm honestly, just curious. I have no other agenda.
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My guess is that many assume that because Herman took another job, that he wasn't All In, which is not necessarily true. TH had to do what was best for him and he did everything he could to be successfull at ISU. Everyone seems to think that every coach on the staff has to be here for life or they don't really care about ISU.

I sincerely doubt there are any stories about Herman not giving his all for ISU while he was here.


On a completely seperate topic, I think TH and CPR had more than a few personality clashes. TH always seemed a bit cocky and headstrong in interviews. In contrast Messingham seems to be one of CPRs favorites on the staff. We'll see if improved chemistry helps the team.
 
I don't question whether Herman was "all in" based on taking another job. Coaches do that.

I believe it's fair to say that he wasn't "all in" for the bowl game, because he himself has said that he didn't have as much time to prepare due to his responsibilities at Ohio State. If you're working for two schools at once, you're not "all in" at either one. I'm going to guess that he was a lot closer to "all in" at the new job than the one he was leaving.
 
BooneCy said:
A lot of people are mentioning or suggesting that Tom Herman wasn't "All In". Aside from the fact that he took another job that paid better and was at a bigger program, is there something to suggest that Tom Herman wasn't "All In" while he was here. Am I missing some inside information or story that would suggest otherwise.

I'm honestly, just curious. I have no other agenda.
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The pregame show for the bowl game featured an interview with coach Herman. He made comments about his bowl prep schedule and time being affected by his split responsibilities.
 
jbhtexas said:
I don't think MU is a very good example of the point you are trying to make.

Pinkel went 8-5 in his third year at MU. The points per game for his tenure at MU are: 21.8, 30, 33.3, 23.3, 30.8, 30.1 ,39.9 42.2, 29, 29.4, and 32.8.

After the first year, he only had one "bad" season (year 4). The average for his tenure at MU is 31.1 ppg, which he nearly hit in his second year.

If anything, your MU example shows that getting the offense up and running can happen rather quickly. It doesn't have to take 5 years to get decent offense.
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Yeah in a ****** division of a mediocre conference. We win 8 games back then too.
 
mt85 said:
You can't turn lead into gold.

We were 2-10 three years ago. You can't turnover an 85 player roster in three years. We face a top ten schedule on a yearly basis, yet some of our fans think it just a matter of the plays we run.

That's brilliant logic.:jimlad:
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HEY! That makes too much sense. I won't have that crap here!
 
I'm just not a huge fan of this hire. To me it just reeks of "nobody else was interested". Just disappointing with the increase in assistant money we have seen. Hope I'm wrong though.
 
mt85 said:
The point isn't about the offense. It is about turning a program around from a talent perspective.
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Yes, the point is about the offense. This is a thread about the offensive coordinator hire, and your post was a response to someone who was concerned about hiring a OC from withn a program that has been struggling badly on offense for the past three years.

Your point seems to be that it takes 5 years to get the right talent in a system for it to be successful, and then you gave Gary Pinkel as example. Pinkel's offense made significant strides and became in successful year 2, and thus MU does not appear to be a very good example to support your claim that it takes 5 years for a system to become successful.
 
SCarolinaCy said:
Good news is that it keeps us on the same path. Bad is news is that it keeps on the same path.
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This. ^^

I hope with Herman's departure, Messingham wasn't already given increased responsibility for the bowl game behind the scenes, because that was a turd of an offensive game plan.
 
ISUbaseball said:
I'm just not a huge fan of this hire. To me it just reeks of "nobody else was interested". Just disappointing with the increase in assistant money we have seen. Hope I'm wrong though.
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You don't think there would be candidates interested in a BCS level coordinator job under a coach like Paul Rhoads? OK.
 
cykadelic2 said:
Pinkel's offensive production went up when he got a pass/run QB in Chase Daniel for their spread offense that Daniel had run since middle school. Brad Smith couldn't pass out of it.
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Chase Daniel didn't start at MU until 2006, Pinkel's 6th year. Pinkel's offensive production went up significantly in his 2nd year.
 
jbhtexas said:
Chase Daniel didn't start at MU until 2006, Pinkel's 6th year. Pinkel's offensive production went up significantly in his 2nd year.
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Are you going to acknowledge the defense in the North Division was pitiful and the conference as a whole was nowhere approaching what it is now or are you going to just ignore that?
 
I like the hire and I like that he will be the QB coach. I know a lot of you guys like to jump all over the WRs for the offensive output, and they did drop a lot of passes, but there were also a lot of times when a receiver was running wide open and the QB didn't see them or throw a horrible pass. Mess has done a great job at every postion he has coached for ISU, and I hope he can raise the level of QB play.
 
Clones21 said:
Can he be any worse than Herman? I liked Herman, but if Mess can come in and call a better game i'm up for it.
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This is really the key. We know that Mess knows the system and the players. We know, based on Rhoads' past comments, that he is regarded as one of the best teachers on the staff. We know that there is a high probability that he could show long-term loyalty to the program if given the opportunity.

What we don't know is if he he can call a good game. Can he read and react and push all the right buttons in the heat of the battle? Rhoads undoubtedly knows Mess' offensive philosophies and is confident that he can.

There aren't a lot of unknown variables with this hire, but from a fan's perspective, this is a big one that will make the wait until next season even harder to bear.
 
I'm sorry but did anyone on here recognize how young our offense was this year? I mean really, our QB was a FRESHMAN...our center and line general was a FRESHMAN...we lost our #1 running back in game 4...all our backs are underclassman...our 2 deeps are filled to the brim with FRESHMAN and sophmores..our most talented/athletic WR's were FRESHMAN or first year players (Horne/West)...our best OL (KO) played hurt for a majority of the year. By all acounts the best QB in the program, Sam Richardson, redshirted and will make a very good QB when given the chance.

I mean are you people for real? People are on here complaining about our offense like it was full of a bunch of RS Seniors...

ISU's offense is poised to do great things in the next 2-3 years and coach Mess is stepping into a great sitiuation. A situation that Tom Herman created...a good one. CPR see's this even though it's obvious many on this board do not. Our offense is in very good shape for the future and saying otherwise is foolish.
 
jbhtexas said:
I doubt it. The North division wasn't that bad, and would be far more mediocre in 2005and 2006.

OU 12-2
KSU 11-4
UT 10-3
NU 10-3
OSU 9-4
MU 8-5
TT 8-5
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I would be anxious to know which rotation the north teams were on. My guess is that they were on the Baylor, aTm, OSU rotation.
 
CycloneWarning said:
This. ^^

I hope with Herman's departure, Messingham wasn't already given increased responsibility for the bowl game behind the scenes, because that was a turd of an offensive game plan.
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I somewhat disagree. If you look at our first 2 drives we moved the ball and had an effective game going. Both 40+ yards

We just did not stick with it.
 
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