Actually, he has been an offensive coordinator. He's even been a head coach.
MESS named OC
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Actually, he has been an offensive coordinator. He's even been a head coach.
Alrite thats good to hear. Will he be allowed to bring new ideas to the offense or will it be the same as the last two years?
Good news is that it keeps us on the same path. Bad is news is that it keeps on the same path.
Sorry, but Wally was a very sexy hire that everyone was pumped about (and for good reason, obviously). He may not have a "sexy" attitude and is very blue collar, but that is a different question.
Hope I'm wrong, but this move feels very Steve Brickey to me. Would feel much more comfortable if we had hired a Jay Johnson or Tony Franklin. Does Messingham have any experience coaching QBs?
I don't think MU is a very good example of the point you are trying to make.
Pinkel went 8-5 in his third year at MU. The points per game for his tenure at MU are: 21.8, 30, 33.3, 23.3, 30.8, 30.1 ,39.9 42.2, 29, 29.4, and 32.8.
After the first year, he only had one "bad" season (year 4). The average for his tenure at MU is 31.1 ppg, which he nearly hit in his second year.
If anything, your MU example shows that getting the offense up and running can happen rather quickly. It doesn't have to take 5 years to get decent offense.
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Messingham has done a phenomenal job with kick return and the younger wide receivers, not to mention Collin Franklin. I have no doubt that he understands Tom's system well enough to have enough healthy continuity, enough ideas of his own to initiate enough healthy change, and the coaching experience to make both sides of that happen.
It will be interesting to see if Coach Rhoads and Coach Messingham stick with the Zone Read offense. The offense has definitely underachieved the last 3 years. The Zone Read leads to a lot of turnovers as the running back doesn’t even know whether or not he’s getting the ball until he has the ball. The Zone Read also puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the quarterback to make the correct read. This year we only scored more than 24 points in regulation one time (Texas Tech). That is why I am shocked that Urban Meyer hired Tom Herman to be his Offensive Coordinator.
I do like promoting from within and I do like Coach Messingham’s fire. One thing is for sure – the defense under Coach Burnham has consistently overachieved. For our program to go to the next level we have got to score more points.
Go Cyclones!
I do like promoting from within and I do like Coach Messingham’s fire. One thing is for sure – the defense under Coach Burnham has consistently overachieved. For our program to go to the next level we have got to score more points.
Go Cyclones!
I welcome the hire.
Some Pros:
1. Continuity, which is very important to building a program. Our players will not need to learn a totally new system and new terminology, and we will probably not need to find a lot of new position coaches.
2. The players we have recruited should for the most part fit the system that will be put in place.
3. I doubt there will be any recruiting defections due to the change.
4. Messingham seems like the kind of "all-in" guy who fits the mentality of the program Rhoads is building and is less likely to view the position as nothing more than a stepping stone.
5. He appears to have been successful in his other roles.
6. Rhoads has had ample opportunity to evaluate his performance, and wants him to be the guy.
Cons:
1. Has not yet proven capable of being a successful D-1 level offensive coordinator.
2. Perhaps a tendency to continue with offensive strategies that have not be successful for the past three years.
The pros greatly outweigh the cons in my opinion. Just because Messingham coached under Herman does not mean he will call the game the same way. A lack of a proven track record as an OC at a large program also does not mean he cannot be successful in that role.
Some Pros:
1. Continuity, which is very important to building a program. Our players will not need to learn a totally new system and new terminology, and we will probably not need to find a lot of new position coaches.
2. The players we have recruited should for the most part fit the system that will be put in place.
3. I doubt there will be any recruiting defections due to the change.
4. Messingham seems like the kind of "all-in" guy who fits the mentality of the program Rhoads is building and is less likely to view the position as nothing more than a stepping stone.
5. He appears to have been successful in his other roles.
6. Rhoads has had ample opportunity to evaluate his performance, and wants him to be the guy.
Cons:
1. Has not yet proven capable of being a successful D-1 level offensive coordinator.
2. Perhaps a tendency to continue with offensive strategies that have not be successful for the past three years.
The pros greatly outweigh the cons in my opinion. Just because Messingham coached under Herman does not mean he will call the game the same way. A lack of a proven track record as an OC at a large program also does not mean he cannot be successful in that role.
The point isn't about the offense. It is about turning a program around from a talent perspective.
Drinkel had three losing seasons in his first 4 years, and he lost three of his last four regular season games in his fifth year. As I recall he was under some pressure, and since then he has had three seasons with 10 or more wins in the last five.
The point is that it takes time to turn the talent around in a program, and obviously we are very early in the process. In ISUs case, the defense wasn't as far behind as the offense, but you can't change things overnight.
Pinkel's offensive production went up when he got a pass/run QB in Chase Daniel for their spread offense that Daniel had run since middle school. Brad Smith couldn't pass out of it.
CPR is satisfied with ISU's current version of the spread but wasn't satisfied with Herman's ability to coach up, in particular, the QBs to execute the spread (Herman struggled with Arnaud) and best utilize the available RB and REC personnel. Herman's playcalling at times was a secondary issue but execution of the called plays was a more glaring issue for the most part. Hopefully, Mess will better communicate with and coach up the the QBs to execute this offense and make it more productive.
I just wonder sometimes how someone can coach a position they've never played. (Is this the case with messingham?)
Perhaps they stress less on specific fundamentals (foot work, mechanics) and more on the complete product. Ie: the QBs job is to complete the pass, etc.
Perhaps they stress less on specific fundamentals (foot work, mechanics) and more on the complete product. Ie: the QBs job is to complete the pass, etc.
Messingham played QB in high school and I think also in college. He coached QBs at at least one or two of his lower level coaching gigs.
I'm nervous that he hasn't coached QBs at a higher level. Our offense would be a lot better with more accurate passing and better decision making at the QB position. That takes coaching. I hope Mess can do it.
First off I am just fine with the hire. Its not the big splash that some people wanted but I have learned over the past 3 seasons with CPR that he makes the decision that he feels is the best possible for ISU, popular or not and goes with it. Was Messingham his first choice? Maybe, Maybe not. No one but CPR and probably JP will ever know that and quite frankly it doesnt matter. Whats done is done.
Mess has been around a long time with lots of experience coaching different position groups as well as OC and HC at a lower level.
Mess has been around a long time with lots of experience coaching different position groups as well as OC and HC at a lower level.
It's good that we will be keeping the same system which will be great for the progression of the players. Obviously he will be aloud to make some changes and add his own wrinkles, but overall it'll be the same terminology.
TE's, WR's, and ST's all seen significant improvement under his watch. If the trend continues with the QB's and overall offense now, look out Big12!
Hope we can find a good WR coach now, but it's great to have an OC who's all in now.
TE's, WR's, and ST's all seen significant improvement under his watch. If the trend continues with the QB's and overall offense now, look out Big12!
Hope we can find a good WR coach now, but it's great to have an OC who's all in now.