memo to the fans
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It is stupid to blame the fans, we're not even on the field. I know that fans like to think they have an incredible impact on the game, but really from what I see fan's impact is minimal. Case in point, two of the largest crowds in ISU history, were two poor, poor performances. I'm sorry, I like to see large crowds it's great for the program and great to see on TV, but as for its impact on the game it's minimal. People like to use fans as a scapegoat, just like weather conditions, field turf, refs, etc., to make up for the sorry performances put on the field.
To those of you that do not think the fans have an impact on the game...
A. Have you actually played any football?
B. Haven't you ever noticed just how important playing on your home field is?
A. Have you actually played any football?
B. Haven't you ever noticed just how important playing on your home field is?
Exactly. Why again, do they have crowd noise in NCAA 07 for XBox? Oh yeah - that's right, it makes it hard for the other team to communicate!! And it pumps up your team! Same thing in real college football.
Emotions are a HUGE part of college football. Do you think it would be easier to get pumped up if you had 5,000 or 50,000 fans screaming their lungs out?
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To those of you that do not think the fans have an impact on the game...
A. Have you actually played any football?
B. Haven't you ever noticed just how important playing on your home field is?"
Agreed! The fans and home game atmosphere are huge and does impact the game. But to crtitisize ISU fans after showing up and traveling for the last 20-years is insane. I bet there will be 2,500 or 3,500 ISU fans at the OU game. My hats off to the fans...we/they have answered to bell. You can pull the "We played for the Big 12 championship in Ames and only had 38,000 people there." Well let me lay it out to you....people felt like we would find some way to blow it...and they did. Mac has not instilled alot of faith in the fans. Last season was missed opportunity after missed opportunity. We should have beat Baylor, Mizzou, KU, and I am going to say even NU. You have to win games like that...this is not the "chicken and the egg arguement".....if you don't win or you lose games you should win, see above, or you ask the fans to fill the stadium and lose...well, we have heard it all before. Pollard knows it...this is college football and it is a business and the football team is the product. ROFLMAO.....now the xbox arguement don't understand that one good lord. ISU fans have showed up and cheered and traveled.....no matter what. There is an article on front of CR and the recruit is talking about the great atmosphere and ISU fans...for the second week in a row...
To those of you that do not think the fans have an impact on the game...
A. Have you actually played any football?
B. Haven't you ever noticed just how important playing on your home field is?"
Agreed! The fans and home game atmosphere are huge and does impact the game. But to crtitisize ISU fans after showing up and traveling for the last 20-years is insane. I bet there will be 2,500 or 3,500 ISU fans at the OU game. My hats off to the fans...we/they have answered to bell. You can pull the "We played for the Big 12 championship in Ames and only had 38,000 people there." Well let me lay it out to you....people felt like we would find some way to blow it...and they did. Mac has not instilled alot of faith in the fans. Last season was missed opportunity after missed opportunity. We should have beat Baylor, Mizzou, KU, and I am going to say even NU. You have to win games like that...this is not the "chicken and the egg arguement".....if you don't win or you lose games you should win, see above, or you ask the fans to fill the stadium and lose...well, we have heard it all before. Pollard knows it...this is college football and it is a business and the football team is the product. ROFLMAO.....now the xbox arguement don't understand that one good lord. ISU fans have showed up and cheered and traveled.....no matter what. There is an article on front of CR and the recruit is talking about the great atmosphere and ISU fans...for the second week in a row...
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But it does make the linebacker hit the receiver a little harder with the adrenalin flowing.
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An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing. A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, "Can I also sit on my buttocks like you and do nothing?" The eagle answered, "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.
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HANDY DANDY 2 MINUTE FOOTBALL REPUTATION MANAGEMENT COURSE
Lesson One:
An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing. A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, "Can I also sit on my buttocks like you and do nothing?" The eagle answered, "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.
Football Management Lesson: To be sitting on your buttocks and doing nothing, you must be sitting very high up.
Lesson Two:
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, why don't you nibble on some of my manure droppings?" replied the bull. "They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of manure and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree. The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fourth night, he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.
Football Management Lesson: Bull **** might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.
Lesson Three:
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out. He lay there all warm and happy and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung and promptly dug him out and ate him.
Football Reputation Management Lessons:
(1) Not everyone who s**** on you is your enemy.
(2) Not everyone who gets you out of s*** is your friend.
(3) When you're in deep s****t, it's best to keep your mouth shut unless this is an open discussion Cyclone Fanatic website. It is for fun by all.
Football is a game of emotion and heart. When fans are screaming in your favor...pushing you to make a big stop or excited after a first down...you get even higher on emotion.
When fans start booing or are quiet on big plays...that emotion starts to deflate.
When fans start booing or are quiet on big plays...that emotion starts to deflate.
I never said that fans don't have an impact on the game, I said they have a minimal impact on the game. That's great they make it hard to hear, that's great before the snap. Of course 90% of the game takes place after the snap, fans have little impact on that.
Let's take a look here at some of the biggest games this year
Ohio State at Texas: Texas fans jacked up, billed as maybe the biggest game of the year for both teams. Ohio State wins easy.
Notre Dame at Michigan State: Billed as one of the biggest games at MSU in recent history, crowd jacked up. Notre Dame makes big comeback for the victory. With the amazing crowd support should that have happened?
Ohio State at Iowa: Huge Iowa crowd, all geared up in yellow and ready to get the team pumped up. Ohio State scores early and often in a route.
Florida State at Miami: Always a big game, played in Miami which is supposed to have big influence. Miami looks inept and Florida State pulls away.
4 of the biggest games this year, how much of an impact did the crowd on any of those games, very little. I'd say the crowd has maybe a 5% impact on the game and the only direct way they can help is making it loud before the snap, which means nothing after the snap.
Let's take a look here at some of the biggest games this year
Ohio State at Texas: Texas fans jacked up, billed as maybe the biggest game of the year for both teams. Ohio State wins easy.
Notre Dame at Michigan State: Billed as one of the biggest games at MSU in recent history, crowd jacked up. Notre Dame makes big comeback for the victory. With the amazing crowd support should that have happened?
Ohio State at Iowa: Huge Iowa crowd, all geared up in yellow and ready to get the team pumped up. Ohio State scores early and often in a route.
Florida State at Miami: Always a big game, played in Miami which is supposed to have big influence. Miami looks inept and Florida State pulls away.
4 of the biggest games this year, how much of an impact did the crowd on any of those games, very little. I'd say the crowd has maybe a 5% impact on the game and the only direct way they can help is making it loud before the snap, which means nothing after the snap.
LOL @ colocy.
Home teams don't win every game. I am well aware of that, but thanks for the 3rd grade level illustration.
Also, the size of the crowd does not automatically decide the level of participation by the fans. The enviroment for the CU game last year was 10x better than the last 2 home games...and there were about 8-10K more fans at the UNI and NU game than there was the CU game.
On that strange evening vs. CU, the fans didn't give up on the team. The other two games, they did. Only until ISU had pulled back within UNI did they participate. NU...they were "gone" at halftime.
Home teams don't win every game. I am well aware of that, but thanks for the 3rd grade level illustration.
Also, the size of the crowd does not automatically decide the level of participation by the fans. The enviroment for the CU game last year was 10x better than the last 2 home games...and there were about 8-10K more fans at the UNI and NU game than there was the CU game.
On that strange evening vs. CU, the fans didn't give up on the team. The other two games, they did. Only until ISU had pulled back within UNI did they participate. NU...they were "gone" at halftime.
I agree with Clone Rules on this one. Our team needs our fans. No, we don't play the game but we need to make it difficult for the opponent to play in our place. JT was unbelievably loud and frenzied during last year's CU game and I was hoping that would be the same way on Saturday and it wasn't. As far as support, I sat in Section S, at the end of the east side of JT. At half, there were thousands - yes thousands- of fans in yellow shirts pouring out of the stadium. It was only 21 - 7!!! Yes, the NU td with 3 seconds left was deflating but stay and support your team. The game was far from over. The Nebraska fans near me were laughing. You'd never see that at Memorial Stadium, Kinnick, etc. If we're ever going to be an upper echelon team, we need to wait an extra hour and 1/2 for a beer. Not only does the team need to take it up a notch, so do we. The fans have an impact on the game....that's why we are there, that's why it's a home game. No one is blaming the fans for losing....just stick around to help win. And be loud!!
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Well I was just using the 4 biggest games this year, in the country to illustrate that the crowd's impact is overrated. Those 4 games were huge, were billed as being huge, and the crowd came to each and every one fired up. It didn't make a difference in the outcome in the least. I agree it's not always the size of the crowd, but in all 4 of those instances the crowds were enthusiastic from the outset. Tell me how much of an impact did the fans have when OSU took their first drive of the game down for 7 at Kinnick.
This is being fixed. According to an e-mail from Pollard last week, when JT is bowled in, re-entry will be prohibited.
I flew to Ames for the NE game from New Orleans,despite the outcome I had a great time being in/around all the fun. I attended ISU 1985-1988...things have changed dramatically since my time. I remember seeing Brian Bosworth play and we were getting trounced, we finally scored a field goal (making it about 45-3 or so) and the crowd went completely wild.
Some thoughts regarding the fans this weekend...After walking into the stadium 4 or 5 NE fans were talking a bunch of crap on the hill. I yelled over to them to shut their pie holes, the days of losing 80-0 were over! All clone fans were sitting there listening to that manure. I was seated in section 19 row 7, right next to a bunch of NE fans. Everytime I heard them talking a bunch of smack I let them have it, I was the only one there shooting back at them. Some people may consider me a bad sport but I am not going to listen to that crap in OUR stadium, I don't care what teams comes in. Leave that crap in Lincoln. I attended an LSU game down here recently, 92,000 fans probably 90,000 tiger fans. All the visitors' fans (TULANE) were spread out throughout the stadium. If you were going to talk smack in Death Valley you better use your inside voice. I heard NE fans saying Saturday's game was a home game for them, they own our stadium...what the ^%$$ is that! Educate me, when ISU goes on the road do our fans sit together? Are we obligated to let visitors sit in a complete section. With 40,000 more cyclone fans there than NE fans, spread the big red out (and any other team that comes). Also, their band stood for the whole game in a small part of the sideline. Being so compact made them project their sound much more than ours (IMO), our band is spread out over an entire endzone. They had 3 or 4 things they played that all red fans knew and used them all the time. It seems like a lot of our fans don't know what to do in conjuction with some of those things. Do you guys like the FIRST DOWN cheer? I am not proposing to start fights but if a visiting team's fans are in Ames talking crap and I hear it, I am going to feed it right back.
Scott L
Thoughts???
Some thoughts regarding the fans this weekend...After walking into the stadium 4 or 5 NE fans were talking a bunch of crap on the hill. I yelled over to them to shut their pie holes, the days of losing 80-0 were over! All clone fans were sitting there listening to that manure. I was seated in section 19 row 7, right next to a bunch of NE fans. Everytime I heard them talking a bunch of smack I let them have it, I was the only one there shooting back at them. Some people may consider me a bad sport but I am not going to listen to that crap in OUR stadium, I don't care what teams comes in. Leave that crap in Lincoln. I attended an LSU game down here recently, 92,000 fans probably 90,000 tiger fans. All the visitors' fans (TULANE) were spread out throughout the stadium. If you were going to talk smack in Death Valley you better use your inside voice. I heard NE fans saying Saturday's game was a home game for them, they own our stadium...what the ^%$$ is that! Educate me, when ISU goes on the road do our fans sit together? Are we obligated to let visitors sit in a complete section. With 40,000 more cyclone fans there than NE fans, spread the big red out (and any other team that comes). Also, their band stood for the whole game in a small part of the sideline. Being so compact made them project their sound much more than ours (IMO), our band is spread out over an entire endzone. They had 3 or 4 things they played that all red fans knew and used them all the time. It seems like a lot of our fans don't know what to do in conjuction with some of those things. Do you guys like the FIRST DOWN cheer? I am not proposing to start fights but if a visiting team's fans are in Ames talking crap and I hear it, I am going to feed it right back.
Scott L
Thoughts???
I'm confused by the people who 1. pay the money to attend a game but then 2. complain that they have nothing to cheer about and will cheer when there is a product on the field to yell for. WHAT?? you need to yell, make noise, be nuts! let loose for god sake! I'm sure most of you (and I know I do) get a little barley pop buzz going before a game... the noise makes a difference, it shows the team that perhaps you care despite how poorly they may be playing. I assume if you PAY for tickets you love the Cyclones, then freaking show it! I for one HATE nebraska and their arrogant, pompous fans who have the gall to call themselves the classiest fans in the country. So when I hear that their 11k outcheered out 44k, it really ticks me of.
I think perhaps bowling in JT will help acoustics a wee bit, but if we can have one of the nastiest places for opponents to play in basketball, we should at least be able to make our football stadium an intimidating place to play. Autzen stadium in Oregon doesn't hold a huge # of fans, similar to JT capacity I think, but its one of the most intimidating venues in the country. and why is that? their fans CARE!!
I think perhaps bowling in JT will help acoustics a wee bit, but if we can have one of the nastiest places for opponents to play in basketball, we should at least be able to make our football stadium an intimidating place to play. Autzen stadium in Oregon doesn't hold a huge # of fans, similar to JT capacity I think, but its one of the most intimidating venues in the country. and why is that? their fans CARE!!
The insults from the haughty Big Red fans was numerous and prolific. They behaved like they owned the stadium. Just a fact of life. That is why I love to beat them in basketball. These same football fans for Lincoln do not do basketball. They know better.
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I agree that the fans need to cheer louder and more often. Encourage your team. Did anybody notice that our teams are starting to play better on the road than at home? I think it is less pressure for them. We need to create the atmosphere and let them feed off of it. I would think it's the acoustics, but in the games I've been too, there is the occasional roar followed by dead silence waiting for the next reason to yell. The third downs when the Clones are on defense are good, but it's not all that impressive compared to other places.
Yeah, I just love it when fans of winning programs think they are better than others because of the performance of there teams......we sit in the balcony in the west side and I was dissappointed to see that the fans that normally sit in front of us sold all their tickets to NU fans. I guess our crowd didn't miss these fans much since they usually don't make much noise anyways. I think some fans view a game such as Nebraska as a way to sell there tickets and recoup a large % of there costs. That drives me nuts!!
I've been to a handful of NU games in Lincoln including a few when they were playing other teams since we happened to have a bye week (I know somebody who works within there athletic department) and I can attest to the fact that there crowd has a tremendous affect on the game. I was there last year when we played them and I could actually feel the noise in my bones when there defense went out onto the field. It was pretty impressive.
I've only been a fan since '98, since that was when I enrolled at ISU and I had little to no exposure of ISU growing up. This sounds crazy, but even being sort of a sports nut, I didn't know anything about ISU teams at all since they were not on tv or radio and I lived in this state! My first memories of anything ISU athletics was watching the MBB team and the Mayor play in the NCAA tourney. I think the increased exposure that Pollard is working on will really help grow our fan base and support. As for people complaining about the crowds, I don't know how to criticize people for not cheering there heads off for a team that is hard to believe in. As for me, though I have season tickets and I'm always there cheering my arse off!
I've been to a handful of NU games in Lincoln including a few when they were playing other teams since we happened to have a bye week (I know somebody who works within there athletic department) and I can attest to the fact that there crowd has a tremendous affect on the game. I was there last year when we played them and I could actually feel the noise in my bones when there defense went out onto the field. It was pretty impressive.
I've only been a fan since '98, since that was when I enrolled at ISU and I had little to no exposure of ISU growing up. This sounds crazy, but even being sort of a sports nut, I didn't know anything about ISU teams at all since they were not on tv or radio and I lived in this state! My first memories of anything ISU athletics was watching the MBB team and the Mayor play in the NCAA tourney. I think the increased exposure that Pollard is working on will really help grow our fan base and support. As for people complaining about the crowds, I don't know how to criticize people for not cheering there heads off for a team that is hard to believe in. As for me, though I have season tickets and I'm always there cheering my arse off!