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McKay vs Ejim Production Update

cloneteach

cloneteach

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Earlier in the year I extrapolated the data from McKay's first two games and compared it to Ejim's production from a year ago. I updated those stats on a per 40 minute basis to compare their production. No secret, but McKay is performing at an extremely high level.

McKay production
 
PlayerMinutesPointsReboundsAssistsStealsBlocks
McKay
Ejim
Per 40 MinPointsReboundsAssistsStealsBlocks
McKay
Ejim

[TD="align: right"]23.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.4[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]32.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.7[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.0[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.9[/TD]
 
I don't like comparing those two. Completely different guys. One is almost always in the post and is hunting blocks, not to mention he is significantly more gifted than the other. Ejim is a perimeter guy pounding the glass, shooting the three and not actively looking for the block. Hogue and Ejim are a much better comparison. If McKay played on the defensive end like Hogue or Ejim, he would blow away their rebounding numbers because he would be in better position to rebound. You also have to take into account that McKay is generally in much better Oreb position just by the nature of his position. So, yeah, they are comparable in production but it mostly comes from different places in different ways, which you noted. Per40 stats are great in terms of seeing what a guy does, but they aren't real. In these guys' case there is drop off once one hit the bench, making the minutes they are able to play significant. Is Monte Morris, for instance, as useful to a team if he could only play 30 minutes a game? Would Willie Cauly-Stein have the Per40 production he does now? Not likely. I guess that came off as critical, which I didn't mean. I like per40 stuff but there are holes in it in terms of the reality. Ejim, especially considering he was undersized and not an incredibly explosive athlete, was not just productive in a per40 sense. It was incredible he could fight that hard for that many minutes. I do expect McKay to be able to put up similar minutes if needed.
 
They are very different types of players, yes. I chose Ejim to compare to because he was the Big 12 POY with those stats. I did it more as a credit to the level at which McKay is producing than a knock on Ejim or even a comparison between the two. If Ejim's stats earned him Big 12 POY then McKay's play is at an all-conference level when he is on the floor.
 
cloneteach said:
They are very different types of players, yes. I chose Ejim to compare to because he was the Big 12 POY with those stats. I did it more as a credit to the level at which McKay is producing than a knock on Ejim or even a comparison between the two. If Ejim's stats earned him Big 12 POY then McKay's play is at an all-conference level when he is on the floor.
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Pretty special players. McKay is just finding his groove too.
 
Tre4ISU said:
I don't like comparing those two. Completely different guys. One is almost always in the post and is hunting blocks, not to mention he is significantly more gifted than the other. Ejim is a perimeter guy pounding the glass, shooting the three and not actively looking for the block. Hogue and Ejim are a much better comparison. If McKay played on the defensive end like Hogue or Ejim, he would blow away their rebounding numbers because he would be in better position to rebound. You also have to take into account that McKay is generally in much better Oreb position just by the nature of his position. So, yeah, they are comparable in production but it mostly comes from different places in different ways, which you noted. Per40 stats are great in terms of seeing what a guy does, but they aren't real. In these guys' case there is drop off once one hit the bench, making the minutes they are able to play significant. Is Monte Morris, for instance, as useful to a team if he could only play 30 minutes a game? Would Willie Cauly-Stein have the Per40 production he does now? Not likely. I guess that came off as critical, which I didn't mean. I like per40 stuff but there are holes in it in terms of the reality. Ejim, especially considering he was undersized and not an incredibly explosive athlete, was not just productive in a per40 sense. It was incredible he could fight that hard for that many minutes. I do expect McKay to be able to put up similar minutes if needed.
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Nice paragraph
 
I loved Melvin, he's an all time ISU great and a had a great season last year. If there's one knock though, he didn't pay great in the tourney. Whether McKay's season is better or worse will rely on how he plays from here on out. As of now, I'd give the nod to Ejim. 18 and 8 every night is tough to beat.
 
Next year we will easily have 3 of the top players in the conference on our team. Niang, Morris, and McKay could all easily be first team all big 12.
 
I appreciate the comparison. It is meant to say that McKay is really good. Not that McKay is better than Ejim at all. In fact, the numbers show that Ejim was actually quite a bit better (I mean, you can only put up numbers while your'e on the court).
 
Clone9 said:
Next year we will easily have 3 of the top players in the conference on our team. Niang, Morris, and McKay could all easily be first team all big 12.
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You could make a case for each of them to be preseason POY in Big 12
 
....is it OK if I just sort of think of this year's players as different players that are the make up of a different team, in a different season where other teams are different because they have different players too, where different things happened, and more different things haven't even happened yet because it's February 19?
 
If I had to pick one of them to have on our team, it's McKay hands down. His ceiling is astronomical, and he's only about 15 games in to his D1 career. He brings it on both ends of the court.
 
Clone9 said:
Next year we will easily have 3 of the top players in the conference on our team. Niang, Morris, and McKay could all easily be first team all big 12.
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If McKay plays like this in the tournament and we go to at least the Sweet Sixteen, he's going pro.
 
People don't like the comparison of production from just a year ago so here is some comparison from this year.
Per 40PointsReboundsAssistsStealsBlocks
McKay
Okafor
Kaminsky

[TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.0[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.9[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.0[/TD]
 
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